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so

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hello and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host

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and we have an exciting show for you

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tonight we thought we were going to have

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three

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guests no we're actually going to have

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four i'll talk about that in a second

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so i want to say welcome to show number

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450

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almost 10 years ago when i decided to do

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this show

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i contacted many people that

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i would find either on tv shows or

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youtube

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that were you know they were people

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their characters in the ufo field

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stan friedman you know people like that

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so um

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i contacted i reached out to um

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i can't remember how many maybe 30

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different people i could find

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and one person replied to me and said

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they would be my first guest on this

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show

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and that person is going to be on the

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show tonight steven bassett

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he was a guest on my first show it was

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pretty clunky

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um i got through it those were um half

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hour shows or one hour shows i can't

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even remember

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pre-recorded just audio you know that

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type of thing

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so steven batten bassett is going to be

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on um tonight

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and uh so is darcy weir filmmaker

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uh gary king and we're going to be

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talking

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about crop circles we also have an added

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guest

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and that is jim goodall um and he's been

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around for

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a long time knows his aircraft very well

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and a very interesting person he's

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joining us

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tonight and so uh as far as

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the uh blog this week

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it's called uh ufos over finland redux

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and it's kind of a review of ufos over

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finland charles lear wrote that

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so check that out over on our website

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podcastufo.com

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um hello over to the berkshires to a

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special guest

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i mean a special person over there just

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saying hi a shout out

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uh not so subtle and uh next week we

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have kathleen martin on

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and i think i'm going to bring and i

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will tell you about our

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we are shy one guest tonight but we are

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looking forward to him

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popping in any minute and that's steven

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bassett the one i was going on and on

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who helped me out he's not in but first

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of all before we bring in our guests i'm

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going to play the trailer that we're

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going to be talking about the movie

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tonight here it goes

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but you see it's easier to attack

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stand up and say this is true you'll

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love a good mystery and chances are

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pictures of crop circles that have

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and it has a message there and tells

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much pain but it's still time so

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looking to the left i noticed this whole

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swathe of rape laid down

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and the first stems that i look at i

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notice are not broken at the base

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people would fly over a field at noon

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10 and they'd be at two three acre crops

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as an elaborate art form there's one

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since its first witnesses this

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phenomenon has always had the same

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conditions and no direct eyewitnesses

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effective plant on a scale like this

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well here we are hi everyone

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uh so uh just if you're watching on

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youtube we have gary

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bottom they're looking at the screen but

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not at the camera

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this is darcy weir and jim goodall so

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yes uh that is a great film i got the

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one of hey

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look i i think we just have someone else

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steven how are you steven glad to be

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with you hi

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i'm glad you're here i just gave you an

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a great introduction that you missed

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but it was i i just basically said that

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you're the only one that would show up

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uh episode number one we're 450 episodes

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and you are on number one and i have a

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podcast and i've done

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one right an introductory and and so now

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i have 450 to catch up with you right

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it's going to be tough that's all right

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i'll be a guest anytime

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um but anyway uh thank you all for

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joining us

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and i don't even know how to start i'm

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really excited about tonight

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well first of all this i i you know

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when i first started and started looking

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into this i got to tell you that crop

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circles was something i was on

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the fence about totally on the fence

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about i i said what are they you know

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they're man-made you know and some of

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them are indeed man-made

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um but there are some uh i had a chance

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at the blt research and uh after i spoke

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with her are you all right steve

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gary just to give a bit of intro on him

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as we know he's not there right now he's

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um and then a massive crop circle show

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who claimed to have made all the crop

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their own uh documentary trying to prove

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the crop circle uh formation and show it

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of these incredibly complex

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scrape marks along the stems because

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up and then they scrape across it and

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that there's a volume to the crop which

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swirling along almost as if it's like

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it's like crashing up the sides and and

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and then and it's lifted off the ground

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pictures to to prove this is

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is that you see the damage come to the

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crop after people

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began to visit it so and they'll

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normally walk down one very thin

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line down the middle of say a one and a

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you go back three or four or five days

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later and you just see the crop where

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is dead and all the crop to the right

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is still alive and still voluminous so

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believe that just footsteps kill the

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crop within a couple of days

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then surely if that was the method under

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which the crop was laid down by

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pressing it down with boards after two

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or three days i would expect to see

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all of it dead just in the same fashion

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in terms of blt research nancy and levin

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good

291
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and burke did some absolutely great work

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in the 90s and into the 2000s

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where they pretty much showed

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consistently that

295
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there is three types of energy that's

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impacting the crop and the soil

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electricity microwaves and magnetism

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the electricity and the microwaves can

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be told detected

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through the crop um it's a bit like if

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you have an electric shock and you go

302
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and have a

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um one of those heart monitors put on it

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can tell you that you've had an electric

305
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shock and plants

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uh it can be detected the same way so

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far as i understand

308
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also if you put a stem of

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crop which has moisture inside it into a

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microwave

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and heat it up then what happens is the

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moisture inside

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tries to find an escape route it will

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elongate the nodes of the crop

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and then blow out expulsion cavities to

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let the steam out

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and we found that in vast majority of

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crop circles these expulsion cavities

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and the magnetism is detected through

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the soil

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iron is one of the most abundant is the

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most abundant element in the universe

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and there's always iron drops falling

324
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down from

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space onto the ground so if you take a

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sample of soil anywhere on the planet

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you will expect to find a certain

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percentage of iron within that sample

329
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what we find when we do an examination

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of the soil inside crop circles

331
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is that the control samples taken from

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outside compared to

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the controls taken from inside the crop

334
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circle show

335
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that the um inside of the crop circle

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has

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lots more iron and sometimes this ion

338
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is distributed almost in the same way

339
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that a light

340
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bulb in the center of a room distributes

341
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light it's sort of the inverse square

342
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law fades off as it goes away

343
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and so we see a distribution of iron

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that's more concentrated in the center

345
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and and less towards the outside of the

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formation

347
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so on two on two fronts there you're

348
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looking at the condition of the late

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crop

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i always bring in time frame because

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ninety percent of the crop circles

352
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ninety-five percent of them appear

353
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in four or five hours of darkness in the

354
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british summer time

355
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and with the scientific data to back it

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up that there

357
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are anomalous findings which we don't

358
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find in the controls

359
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then there's something to talk about

360
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that's from another agency

361
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well there is a the one thing i i know

362
00:14:48,550 --> 00:14:45,440
that

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no one sitting here today is saying and

364
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coming out and saying

365
00:14:53,829 --> 00:14:52,480
is that that these things are aliens no

366
00:14:57,670 --> 00:14:53,839
one's saying that for sure

367
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i i i think you know what uh

368
00:15:00,949 --> 00:14:59,360
maybe i'm wrong maybe one of you think

369
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that uh but

370
00:15:05,030 --> 00:15:02,880
i think what it is it's more of a

371
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question mark than anything else what is

372
00:15:09,910 --> 00:15:06,720
it that's doing these but

373
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this brings me to there was a film done

374
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and i'd like to play the film because um

375
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i had

376
00:15:17,030 --> 00:15:16,079
always been told it was just plain uh a

377
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hoax

378
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and then after watching your film i'm

379
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starting to think you know

380
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this maybe there really is something to

381
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this and i want one of you if you would

382
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to explain why this video that i'm going

383
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to play right now and i will have that

384
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in the show notes as well

385
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uh for those of you listening to the

386
00:15:35,509 --> 00:15:34,880
audio podcast i'll make sure i put it in

387
00:15:37,189 --> 00:15:35,519
there

388
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but i'm talking about this one right

389
00:15:48,389 --> 00:15:46,310
you can see where these things these

390
00:15:51,269 --> 00:15:48,399
orbs are going

391
00:15:53,590 --> 00:15:51,279
over this field and this was taken back

392
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in the 90s with the vhs

393
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camera video camera and

394
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as these things are floating back and

395
00:16:02,470 --> 00:15:59,920
forth um

396
00:16:03,269 --> 00:16:02,480
this crop circle is like showing up

397
00:16:05,430 --> 00:16:03,279
underneath it

398
00:16:07,030 --> 00:16:05,440
and which one of you would like to talk

399
00:16:10,550 --> 00:16:07,040
about that

400
00:16:11,910 --> 00:16:10,560
oh i'll go for it um i talk about this

401
00:16:14,710 --> 00:16:11,920
quite extensively in the

402
00:16:15,990 --> 00:16:14,720
in the film um because there was

403
00:16:17,430 --> 00:16:16,000
obviously a lot of controversy

404
00:16:18,629 --> 00:16:17,440
surrounding this event it was

405
00:16:21,269 --> 00:16:18,639
immediately

406
00:16:22,150 --> 00:16:21,279
claimed to be hoaxed and someone said

407
00:16:25,670 --> 00:16:22,160
that they was just

408
00:16:27,509 --> 00:16:25,680
animated um but what we had really was a

409
00:16:29,430 --> 00:16:27,519
19 year old kid that come over from

410
00:16:31,350 --> 00:16:29,440
australia to visit the crop circles who

411
00:16:34,310 --> 00:16:31,360
decided to do a night watch

412
00:16:36,389 --> 00:16:34,320
and he was awoken around 4am just as the

413
00:16:39,590 --> 00:16:36,399
lights coming up in summertime

414
00:16:41,509 --> 00:16:39,600
and he heard strange noises and he

415
00:16:43,350 --> 00:16:41,519
looked out and saw orbs flying around

416
00:16:45,030 --> 00:16:43,360
and filmed them

417
00:16:46,629 --> 00:16:45,040
at the time he didn't see the crop

418
00:16:48,389 --> 00:16:46,639
circle actually manifest

419
00:16:49,749 --> 00:16:48,399
it was only later when he subsequently

420
00:16:51,910 --> 00:16:49,759
showed the people

421
00:16:53,670 --> 00:16:51,920
at the hot spot for crop circles which

422
00:16:55,030 --> 00:16:53,680
was the barge in in those days he showed

423
00:16:57,189 --> 00:16:55,040
them the video and that's when it was

424
00:16:58,710 --> 00:16:57,199
seen that there was a crop circle there

425
00:17:00,389 --> 00:16:58,720
the crop circle wasn't there the night

426
00:17:01,749 --> 00:17:00,399
before and it was there the following

427
00:17:03,509 --> 00:17:01,759
morning

428
00:17:05,909 --> 00:17:03,519
it was a six-fold formation there were

429
00:17:07,990 --> 00:17:05,919
six arms off of a central circle

430
00:17:10,069 --> 00:17:08,000
but it had hidden within it implicit

431
00:17:11,750 --> 00:17:10,079
seven-fold geometry which is actually

432
00:17:13,590 --> 00:17:11,760
very difficult to do if

433
00:17:15,350 --> 00:17:13,600
you do a little bit of study on geometry

434
00:17:16,789 --> 00:17:15,360
to divide a circle by seven is more

435
00:17:17,990 --> 00:17:16,799
complicated than any of the other

436
00:17:21,110 --> 00:17:18,000
numbers because it's not a whole

437
00:17:24,630 --> 00:17:21,120
number um so the sophistication of the

438
00:17:28,150 --> 00:17:24,640
actual formation was was up there

439
00:17:31,270 --> 00:17:28,160
the the footage was analyzed by a

440
00:17:32,950 --> 00:17:31,280
laboratory in london

441
00:17:35,590 --> 00:17:32,960
and because it was handheld and as you

442
00:17:38,870 --> 00:17:35,600
mentioned because it was 1996 sort of

443
00:17:41,190 --> 00:17:38,880
mini dv camcorder technology um what you

444
00:17:42,870 --> 00:17:41,200
see is the horizon going up and down

445
00:17:44,950 --> 00:17:42,880
as the as the cameraman is kind of

446
00:17:48,070 --> 00:17:44,960
filming it he's moving like this

447
00:17:49,110 --> 00:17:48,080
but the balls of light stay consistently

448
00:17:51,750 --> 00:17:49,120
at the same height

449
00:17:54,710 --> 00:17:51,760
above the field and you can see it

450
00:17:56,390 --> 00:17:54,720
wobbling around there

451
00:17:58,150 --> 00:17:56,400
and so what that would mean with 25

452
00:18:00,549 --> 00:17:58,160
frames per second is that if somebody

453
00:18:03,430 --> 00:18:00,559
were to animate that they would have to

454
00:18:07,110 --> 00:18:03,440
paint on painstakingly these orbs

455
00:18:08,710 --> 00:18:07,120
uh and every frame um and keep it keep

456
00:18:11,029 --> 00:18:08,720
it all consistent and not show any

457
00:18:12,870 --> 00:18:11,039
artifacts which is actually

458
00:18:14,789 --> 00:18:12,880
well we we consulted some disney

459
00:18:16,310 --> 00:18:14,799
animators there was a film made by a

460
00:18:18,549 --> 00:18:16,320
norwegian filmmaker called terry

461
00:18:21,590 --> 00:18:18,559
toughness in 2004

462
00:18:25,830 --> 00:18:21,600
and he uh no 2006 sorry he

463
00:18:28,630 --> 00:18:25,840
contacted um some uh disney animators

464
00:18:30,150 --> 00:18:28,640
i i got my dears wrong it was 2004. and

465
00:18:31,669 --> 00:18:30,160
2004 he asked these

466
00:18:33,190 --> 00:18:31,679
disney animators look how difficult

467
00:18:34,070 --> 00:18:33,200
would it be to animate this and knock

468
00:18:35,590 --> 00:18:34,080
this up

469
00:18:37,350 --> 00:18:35,600
and they said well we'd need a couple of

470
00:18:40,070 --> 00:18:37,360
weeks and to be honest

471
00:18:41,750 --> 00:18:40,080
anyone with any film expertise would be

472
00:18:42,710 --> 00:18:41,760
able to notice it under analysis and

473
00:18:45,190 --> 00:18:42,720
scrutiny

474
00:18:46,390 --> 00:18:45,200
whereas the laboratories that we had the

475
00:18:48,789 --> 00:18:46,400
footage sent to

476
00:18:50,789 --> 00:18:48,799
confirmed that there were no artifacts

477
00:18:52,870 --> 00:18:50,799
and that this footage in their opinion

478
00:18:54,830 --> 00:18:52,880
was genuine and there were several film

479
00:18:56,870 --> 00:18:54,840
people consulted in england and in the

480
00:18:59,430 --> 00:18:56,880
us so

481
00:19:00,789 --> 00:18:59,440
what what it seems we have here is is an

482
00:19:01,990 --> 00:19:00,799
agency

483
00:19:03,909 --> 00:19:02,000
and if we don't know if it's

484
00:19:05,110 --> 00:19:03,919
extraterrestrial as you say there's

485
00:19:07,590 --> 00:19:05,120
there's a lot of belief that it is

486
00:19:08,310 --> 00:19:07,600
extraterrestrial but that we have orbs

487
00:19:10,310 --> 00:19:08,320
which we can

488
00:19:12,150 --> 00:19:10,320
speculate might be drones from a mother

489
00:19:13,750 --> 00:19:12,160
ship or something like that

490
00:19:15,430 --> 00:19:13,760
but these orbs have been seen very

491
00:19:16,870 --> 00:19:15,440
regularly in wiltshire for

492
00:19:19,190 --> 00:19:16,880
a number of years some of the hills are

493
00:19:20,630 --> 00:19:19,200
even named after these kind of orbs

494
00:19:24,470 --> 00:19:20,640
they're called golden ball hill

495
00:19:27,270 --> 00:19:24,480
and things like this and so um

496
00:19:28,710 --> 00:19:27,280
it seems in my view to be a genuine

497
00:19:30,230 --> 00:19:28,720
event which was obviously quickly

498
00:19:33,510 --> 00:19:30,240
stamped on and debunked by

499
00:19:34,950 --> 00:19:33,520
the usual characters but under closer

500
00:19:36,950 --> 00:19:34,960
scrutiny you can see that there's

501
00:19:40,950 --> 00:19:36,960
something to it

502
00:19:43,430 --> 00:19:40,960
yeah excellent and uh this image here

503
00:19:44,950 --> 00:19:43,440
is i think really wonderful i've seen

504
00:19:47,830 --> 00:19:44,960
this for a long time

505
00:19:49,310 --> 00:19:47,840
the mowing devil uh this was uh

506
00:19:52,390 --> 00:19:49,320
published back in

507
00:19:54,549 --> 00:19:52,400
1678 and uh

508
00:19:55,590 --> 00:19:54,559
i i know there's the the rumor that it

509
00:19:59,029 --> 00:19:55,600
had to do with

510
00:19:59,750 --> 00:19:59,039
um dispute with uh crops and things like

511
00:20:03,669 --> 00:19:59,760
that

512
00:20:05,350 --> 00:20:03,679
but um but it's a recorded in a way it's

513
00:20:08,230 --> 00:20:05,360
a recorded crop circle

514
00:20:08,710 --> 00:20:08,240
of some type or a lot of people are at

515
00:20:11,510 --> 00:20:08,720
least

516
00:20:13,750 --> 00:20:11,520
speculating that um i don't know if

517
00:20:15,590 --> 00:20:13,760
anyone wants to tackle that but also

518
00:20:18,390 --> 00:20:15,600
are there any other cases of that does

519
00:20:21,990 --> 00:20:18,400
anyone know of any other publications

520
00:20:25,270 --> 00:20:22,000
i'll just chime in that um we know

521
00:20:26,310 --> 00:20:25,280
in that article uh you know the other

522
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:26,320
pages that

523
00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:29,520
came with that story that um

524
00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:32,880
people that were from the area

525
00:20:39,669 --> 00:20:36,320
had seen had sightings of

526
00:20:43,029 --> 00:20:39,679
what looked like orbs floating above the

527
00:20:43,830 --> 00:20:43,039
the farmland so uh the crops basically

528
00:20:46,390 --> 00:20:43,840
they saw

529
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:46,400
what they called balls of fire but we

530
00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:47,039
would

531
00:20:50,470 --> 00:20:49,600
probably in modern times equate that to

532
00:20:53,830 --> 00:20:50,480
like some kind of

533
00:20:56,789 --> 00:20:53,840
orb ufo um i think what

534
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:56,799
gary can you know tell you is that

535
00:21:01,190 --> 00:20:58,320
people ask all the time

536
00:21:02,070 --> 00:21:01,200
why why the uk you know why is that

537
00:21:05,350 --> 00:21:02,080
there's a

538
00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:05,360
long history of these glyphs

539
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:09,280
showing up in the uk and um

540
00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:12,480
there's a long history of

541
00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:15,840
basically us modernizing the world

542
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:19,200
from the uk and and fanning out around

543
00:21:23,430 --> 00:21:22,480
you know globally and so you know if you

544
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:23,440
go back

545
00:21:27,669 --> 00:21:26,400
to when we really clear-cut the forest

546
00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:27,679
there and started

547
00:21:32,070 --> 00:21:29,760
modern farming that's where these

548
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:32,080
massive crops were feeding

549
00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:36,320
all of the the uh europe and trading and

550
00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:39,760
uh folks were coming from around all of

551
00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:46,390
take their seeds and use these ancient

552
00:21:52,230 --> 00:21:50,080
areas like uh stonehenge for example

553
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:52,240
uh they would leave them there for a

554
00:21:55,110 --> 00:21:53,679
certain amount of time and then take

555
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:55,120
them back to their

556
00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:57,440
countries somewhere else in europe and

557
00:22:02,310 --> 00:21:58,559
plant and

558
00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:02,320
they would get higher um

559
00:22:08,549 --> 00:22:05,440
you know they would reap a higher

560
00:22:11,590 --> 00:22:08,559
crop from from those seeds

561
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:11,600
because of some kind of energy in that

562
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:12,720
area

563
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:16,720
um but you know there's a continuity of

564
00:22:21,430 --> 00:22:17,760
messaging

565
00:22:24,149 --> 00:22:21,440
friend

566
00:22:26,070 --> 00:22:24,159
on facebook and then you message them on

567
00:22:26,789 --> 00:22:26,080
whatsapp and then you move that to text

568
00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:26,799
message

569
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:28,080
you're going to annoy the hell out of

570
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:30,400
them right but if we keep getting

571
00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:31,360
messages in

572
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:34,640
one constant area

573
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:36,880
this continuity where we can rely on a

574
00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:38,320
message coming back

575
00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:41,039
every single summer every single spring

576
00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:42,880
when the crops are coming up

577
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:45,679
well then we know that there's this

578
00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:46,799
dialogue

579
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:49,520
this this constant conversation that we

580
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:50,799
can expect

581
00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:52,720
and you know just last year there was a

582
00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:54,640
covid 19

583
00:22:59,110 --> 00:22:57,840
glyph that showed up and uh gary king

584
00:23:02,549 --> 00:22:59,120
even did a

585
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:02,559
analysis of that recently so

586
00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:05,360
you know it's not like it's not like

587
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:06,080
these things

588
00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:08,400
ever stopped it's just that people

589
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:09,280
bought

590
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:12,240
the mainstream lie that they're all made

591
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:12,960
by

592
00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:16,559
people and that's just completely untrue

593
00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:17,120
and

594
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:19,039
yeah i would say that there is some kind

595
00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:20,960
of intelligence that's probably off

596
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:21,760
world

597
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:24,240
especially if you look at the arecibo

598
00:23:28,630 --> 00:23:25,360
reply

599
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:28,640
that came in 2001 if you google chill

600
00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:30,080
bolton

601
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:34,720
crop circle 2001 this is a

602
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:37,200
point for point replied to the message

603
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:39,600
we sent out with the arcebo

604
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:43,360
uh telescope in 1974 carl sagan designed

605
00:23:52,470 --> 00:23:44,480
this

606
00:23:55,590 --> 00:23:52,480
have it up there

607
00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:55,600
a beautiful reply that shows their dna

608
00:24:01,029 --> 00:23:59,440
structure the um the bodily form that

609
00:24:04,149 --> 00:24:01,039
they have it shows

610
00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:04,159
their solar system and the planet that

611
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:05,120
they inhabit

612
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:08,640
and that it has three moons um

613
00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:10,880
it also shows at the very bottom that

614
00:24:16,390 --> 00:24:12,559
very strange

615
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:16,400
sort of uh circle and then a bunch of

616
00:24:21,669 --> 00:24:18,880
emanating circles coming out of it we

617
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:21,679
actually got in 2000

618
00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:25,679
just that image and

619
00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:28,720
that image is

620
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,880
their diagram of the type of technology

621
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:32,880
they use to send out

622
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:35,440
their communications in space and it's a

623
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:37,039
microwave

624
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:41,039
um telescope we use just a

625
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:42,720
radio wave telescope that's what the

626
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:45,120
arecibo is it's not a microwave so

627
00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:48,159
our in our version of that which

628
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:50,720
uh carl sagan sent out you can see our

629
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:51,760
diagram

630
00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:54,080
and it's a totally different type of

631
00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:55,840
telescope technology

632
00:25:02,070 --> 00:24:59,279
but uh you know i think we

633
00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:02,080
we are being communicated with and some

634
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:03,440
people would say

635
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,799
you know well why aren't they just

636
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:06,720
landing on the white house lawn

637
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:10,480
why aren't they uh you know doing a

638
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:13,039
intricate design right in front of

639
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:14,960
buckingham palace

640
00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:18,159
um and the answer quite simply is and i

641
00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:18,480
mean

642
00:25:21,990 --> 00:25:21,440
i've got jim goodall sitting right next

643
00:25:25,029 --> 00:25:22,000
to me

644
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:25,039
he's a aerospace uh

645
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:29,279
historian and worked on the sr-71 here

646
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,149
navigation installers

647
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:38,149
he knows himself that there's a long

648
00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:39,919
history of

649
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:43,520
our military shooting at ufos you've got

650
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:44,159
the

651
00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:48,960
we unloaded

652
00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:51,600
hundreds of shells into the sky to try

653
00:25:54,789 --> 00:25:52,480
and take over

654
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:54,799
take down a ufo that was floating over

655
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:55,520
la

656
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:57,679
we have the roswell new mexico crash

657
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:00,080
that happened in 1947.

658
00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:03,200
um they have tried to land

659
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:04,960
they have tried to like come here and

660
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:07,840
and we're such a hostile race we've been

661
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:10,000
constantly trying to take them down and

662
00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:11,600
possibly retrieving

663
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:13,760
some craft that have gone down in

664
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:14,720
history

665
00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:17,440
so if you look at crop circles this is a

666
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:18,400
messaging

667
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:21,440
that's peaceful um

668
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:24,720
it doesn't require any landing it's only

669
00:26:30,149 --> 00:26:26,640
visible from above

670
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:30,159
and it works its way into our newspapers

671
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:30,640
and

672
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:33,120
you know many articles online so

673
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:34,400
eventually people

674
00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:35,919
hear about it and know about this

675
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:37,600
messaging

676
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:39,440
and it's kind of a loophole to get

677
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:41,679
around the military and

678
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:45,440
and you know the information filters

679
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:48,559
yeah i put up there now the uh the virus

680
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:52,000
uh crop circle but um you know what this

681
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:56,480
going back to this one um the cha bolton

682
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:59,760
uh one what a complicated i was when

683
00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:01,919
i was watching your your video the

684
00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:04,080
screener with a friend the other night

685
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:07,760
and what a complicated

686
00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:10,960
uh both of these crop circles are so so

687
00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:12,880
complicated i mean it would seem like it

688
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:14,559
would take days

689
00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:16,400
to carefully construct something like

690
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:17,679
this

691
00:27:24,389 --> 00:27:21,360
yes and um you'll notice there's two

692
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:24,399
and what gary will say is it's not like

693
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:26,960
just one crop circle shows up in the

694
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:28,240
summer

695
00:27:32,389 --> 00:27:30,000
you know how many would you say can show

696
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:32,399
up in one night gary

697
00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:34,880
the the most i've known um there was a

698
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:36,159
report although i never

699
00:27:40,149 --> 00:27:38,960
independently verified this that 35 came

700
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:40,159
in one night

701
00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:42,320
paul vigay and lucy pringle uh have

702
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:44,000
information about that they

703
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:45,440
talked about in an interview they gave

704
00:27:49,830 --> 00:27:47,039
many years ago

705
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:49,840
in my own experience um i've had many

706
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:52,320
many occasions where i've got up one day

707
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:54,080
and there's been five new ones and then

708
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:56,000
three the next day and two the day after

709
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:58,320
that on 777

710
00:28:02,070 --> 00:27:59,840
when the croc circle appeared in front

711
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:02,080
of me there were seven crop circles

712
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:03,440
that night in addition to the one that

713
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:05,760
appeared in front of me so it's not just

714
00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:07,520
this random now and again

715
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:10,000
event um you're talking about something

716
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:11,360
that's um

717
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:13,039
much more prolific than most people are

718
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:15,120
aware of

719
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:16,640
well gary you just have to watch your

720
00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:18,320
mic it's making a little click noise

721
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:19,279
when you move so

722
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:21,440
sorry just uh just be cautious of that a

723
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:22,960
little bit careful with that

724
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:26,960
um so stephen um you're in the film a

725
00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:28,240
little bit here and there do you want to

726
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:30,559
discuss what your part of uh

727
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:33,760
of it was okay

728
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:36,240
your involvement in in the film okay

729
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:37,360
first uh

730
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:39,760
i like to go on the record here all

731
00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:41,200
right

732
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:45,200
i have not measurable

733
00:28:51,029 --> 00:28:48,880
not a measurable amount of doubt that

734
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:51,039
most of the these aggregates are

735
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:52,480
non-human-made

736
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:56,159
period i think i arrived at that

737
00:29:01,029 --> 00:28:56,880
conclusion

738
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:04,710
and there this this speaks to something

739
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:06,080
important

740
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:08,240
one of the ways the truth embargo has

741
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:09,360
succeeded

742
00:29:14,549 --> 00:29:12,159
and all heavily backed government type

743
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:14,559
propaganda succeeds

744
00:29:18,310 --> 00:29:16,320
uh they call it a big lie they call it

745
00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:18,320
the repetition

746
00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:20,240
all that but when the way it succeeds it

747
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:23,440
convinces a very large number of people

748
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:26,399
not to believe their own eyes not to

749
00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:28,399
believe

750
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:31,120
their intellectual capability not to

751
00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:33,600
accept common sense

752
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:37,279
but to simply

753
00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:40,880
repeat over and over again don't know

754
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:42,559
hasn't been proven et cetera et cetera

755
00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:44,559
et cetera

756
00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:47,440
and so i just want to go on record there

757
00:29:52,149 --> 00:29:48,640
there are

758
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:52,159
many aspects of the phenomena

759
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:54,640
uh that have turned up more like pacific

760
00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:56,000
cases or what have you that

761
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:58,240
that i have doubts about i have no

762
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:00,320
doubts about aggregates

763
00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:04,080
now the reason that i

764
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:06,080
i i the reason i'm in the films because

765
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:07,679
darcy interviewed me but

766
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:09,679
the reason i'm happy to be involved in

767
00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:12,159
his promotion and talk about it

768
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:14,480
is not surprisingly not the

769
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:15,840
phenomenology per se

770
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:17,520
i'm not a researcher it's the

771
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:19,760
exopolitics

772
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:20,880
i might say what are the exo

773
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:22,880
exo-political implications of

774
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:26,159
aggregates what

775
00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:29,279
what's going on there they're

776
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:31,279
a few and some are subtle some are not

777
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:33,200
so subtle

778
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:35,600
first and foremost there's their

779
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:37,760
existence

780
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:40,799
the fact that they're there at all

781
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:43,760
someone went to the great trouble to put

782
00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:45,200
those down

783
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:47,360
now in the case of humans and there have

784
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:49,200
been a number of human gregor glyphs it

785
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:50,559
was a lot of trouble

786
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:53,279
in the case of extraterrestrials it

787
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:55,120
takes about as long as it does to print

788
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:55,919
out a

789
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:58,880
four color print on your laserjet

790
00:31:01,669 --> 00:31:00,080
printer

791
00:31:03,509 --> 00:31:01,679
which we can do quite nicely if you've

792
00:31:06,389 --> 00:31:03,519
ever used it it's rather spectacular i

793
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:06,399
still don't know how it works

794
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:10,399
so why and why so long

795
00:31:15,269 --> 00:31:13,679
well here's a few points the modern

796
00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:15,279
phenomena of agriglyph starts around

797
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:17,360
1990

798
00:31:21,269 --> 00:31:19,600
right around there there may have been

799
00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:21,279
some things before

800
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:23,039
there may have been some ancient past

801
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:25,120
but there's no question

802
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:28,880
that in the 20th century it starts in

803
00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:30,000
1990

804
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:31,519
because if that had been going on in

805
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:33,760
1970 we would have known about it

806
00:31:40,389 --> 00:31:37,200
i assure you 1990 it all changes

807
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:40,399
and we started seeing these aggregates

808
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:41,440
but they were simple

809
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:43,919
not complex and then we started to see a

810
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:45,360
little more complicated and a little

811
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:46,640
more complicated

812
00:31:52,149 --> 00:31:50,159
the numbers increased year after year

813
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:52,159
after year

814
00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:54,480
not only that it became a worldwide

815
00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:56,559
phenomena

816
00:31:59,909 --> 00:31:58,399
many many thousands if not hundreds of

817
00:32:03,590 --> 00:31:59,919
thousands of people

818
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:03,600
around the world have

819
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:06,320
copies of agroglyphs pasted on the

820
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:07,679
refrigerator or they buy

821
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:10,480
books or they hang it on the wall it's a

822
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:12,640
modern phenomena

823
00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:14,799
and naturally thousands of people

824
00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:18,080
started going to the uk on vacation

825
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:20,399
just to see if they could see one being

826
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:22,720
made or be there when they are made or

827
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:23,840
walk out into one

828
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:26,399
thousands of people they started

829
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:28,000
bringing cameras

830
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:31,279
and then sophisticated cameras

831
00:32:36,630 --> 00:32:34,559
and then uh infrared cameras

832
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:36,640
they started bringing ultra lights so

833
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:40,000
they could fly over the fields

834
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:43,440
to see when they can find one or see one

835
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:47,840
and god knows what else and they still

836
00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:51,120
put the aggregates down year after year

837
00:32:57,669 --> 00:32:55,519
this is not a

838
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:57,679
natural phenomena more importantly it's

839
00:33:02,950 --> 00:32:59,760
not just casual

840
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:02,960
so what's going on i believe that the

841
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:06,559
the emergence of the agroglyphs in 1990

842
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:08,159
were directly associated with a

843
00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:08,960
milestone

844
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:11,440
20th century event the end of the cold

845
00:33:15,269 --> 00:33:12,320
war

846
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:15,279
and supposedly the end of the high risk

847
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:16,159
possibility

848
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:19,279
of nuclear annihilation thanks to our

849
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:22,000
wonderful politicians superb advanced

850
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:22,960
thinking of

851
00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:24,960
governments around the world we're now

852
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:26,720
in cold war two

853
00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:28,799
and the risk of nuclear war is greater

854
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:30,799
now than it was in 1990 but that's

855
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:32,480
another subject and you don't want me to

856
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:34,080
go there

857
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:36,799
and so as you go forward from 1990 these

858
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:38,399
crop circles get more complicated

859
00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:41,440
more abundant more bold

860
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:44,480
that sounds like a progression it sounds

861
00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:45,200
to me

862
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:47,679
like a statement is being made of

863
00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:49,440
something without getting into any

864
00:33:53,669 --> 00:33:50,960
messages in the crop circles

865
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:53,679
which given the uh the fantastic array

866
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:54,960
of designs and everything

867
00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:58,000
anybody with a quality mine is going to

868
00:34:01,110 --> 00:33:59,279
be able to find some messages

869
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:01,120
and more power to them i think it's

870
00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:03,840
great i have no idea what the messages

871
00:34:08,069 --> 00:34:05,039
of the circle are other than

872
00:34:10,389 --> 00:34:08,079
wonderful geometry and art but the

873
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:10,399
message of their repeated

874
00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:13,599
presence and the escalating complexity

875
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:17,119
it tells me that they're trying to say

876
00:34:19,829 --> 00:34:19,040
something and the most logical thing for

877
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:19,839
me

878
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:28,240
incredibly complicated circles out right

879
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:29,760
off the bat boom there you go and then

880
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:30,240
every year

881
00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:32,480
same thing pretty much move it around no

882
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:33,679
no a progression

883
00:34:40,069 --> 00:34:37,200
well progressions go places where

884
00:34:42,069 --> 00:34:40,079
are they going i believe they're going

885
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:42,079
we're going towards disclosure

886
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:44,320
and that these agroglyphs are connected

887
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:46,560
to the process of disclosure

888
00:34:50,310 --> 00:34:49,520
affecting our perceptions in other words

889
00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:50,320
the message

890
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:54,320
is as many other messages are we're here

891
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:56,639
we're doing this for a reason they're

892
00:35:00,550 --> 00:34:58,560
getting more complicated for a reason

893
00:35:02,550 --> 00:35:00,560
because it's going somewhere

894
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:02,560
and i believe where that somewhere is is

895
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:04,400
disclosure

896
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:07,440
so that is an incredibly significant

897
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:09,200
exopolitical

898
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:12,640
uh possibility and then there's another

899
00:35:15,670 --> 00:35:14,160
aspect

900
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:15,680
the extraterrestrials have the ability

901
00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:17,760
to do all manner of things like

902
00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:20,320
i'm sure we could never even list all of

903
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:22,640
the things that et's could do

904
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:26,160
if they so chose to do all right

905
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:28,880
they don't do a lot their overall

906
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:29,680
activity is

907
00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:33,440
relatively narrow a limited number of

908
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:36,960
relatively consistent activities

909
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:40,320
so this one is important because of the

910
00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:44,400
fact that it is so benign

911
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:48,079
they are beautiful we love them we take

912
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:49,920
pictures of them

913
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:52,880
we we we talk wonderfully about them no

914
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:54,640
i have no i've never had anybody go into

915
00:36:15,270 --> 00:35:54,960
a

916
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:15,280
there's some crop loss but it's it's

917
00:36:20,069 --> 00:36:16,960
trivial

918
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:20,079
wow that's an interesting message

919
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:23,440
i don't see the board doing that so

920
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:25,280
this tends to take a little edge off

921
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:29,200
their presence that's very exopolitical

922
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:32,160
so that's why i i'm interested that's

923
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:34,079
why i follow it i'm aware of it the

924
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:36,079
the overall coverage of crop circles or

925
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:38,160
agroglyphs has dropped off substantially

926
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:39,599
there are very few articles that turn up

927
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:41,119
now even though they happen every year

928
00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:42,160
because it is now

929
00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:45,200
part of our culture and reality it's

930
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:46,960
normal

931
00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:51,680
if there were no agroglyphs next year

932
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:53,680
that would be big news people would be

933
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:56,400
going what the hell is going on

934
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:59,440
where are the agriglyphs right surely at

935
00:37:01,430 --> 00:37:00,560
least a human would have gotten out

936
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:01,440
there and done one

937
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:02,640
i don't think they're making them much

938
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:04,960
anymore what would be the point

939
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:06,640
for what nobody's it's not even being

940
00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:08,000
covered there's no money

941
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:10,640
there's no fame it's not being covered

942
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:12,880
like we got a pandemic going on

943
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:14,960
any any group of kids out there doing a

944
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:16,880
aggro glyph are idiots

945
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:18,240
right they got to find a better use of

946
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:20,160
their time that would be news

947
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:22,320
but no every year the same it's become

948
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:23,520
normal

949
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:29,440
the disclosure process

950
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:32,800
the confirmation

951
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:34,880
confirmation will probably lead to open

952
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:36,079
contact

953
00:37:42,069 --> 00:37:39,119
and so the more normal this seems

954
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:42,079
the more accepting we are the more time

955
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:44,079
we've had to adjust

956
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:47,040
the easier it will go so that's my take

957
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:47,520
on

958
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:50,720
aggregates well hey thank you stephen

959
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:53,839
um so the question up i'm

960
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:55,200
kind of just throwing this out anyone

961
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:57,359
can take it but why do you suppose

962
00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:59,599
you know we're talking usually in

963
00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:01,040
england and

964
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:02,880
i know there are some in the united

965
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:04,320
states but not too many

966
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:05,920
and of course there's a lot of other

967
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:07,760
land china uh

968
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:10,560
russia i know there's a couple in in

969
00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:12,560
russia that have shown up but

970
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:14,000
you never hear about china i just

971
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:16,480
wondered if anyone wanted to tackle that

972
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:19,200
gary sure it was um it's a question i've

973
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:21,040
been asked many times i i did crop

974
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:22,560
circle tours for

975
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:25,920
10 years um and took many many different

976
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:26,400
people

977
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:28,320
uh to the crop circles and one question

978
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:29,280
that would always come up was why

979
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:30,000
workshop

980
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:33,359
why why is it here so i looked into it

981
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:35,200
um and it turns out that uh the

982
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:36,400
salisbury plain

983
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:38,560
um which forms the main body of i mean

984
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:40,079
salisbury cathedral is where the magna

985
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:41,200
carta is

986
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:44,240
um it's the first area on the british

987
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:44,880
isles

988
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:46,800
that was cleared of trees to make way

989
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:48,960
for farming so it's an important

990
00:38:53,589 --> 00:38:51,200
point in human history in terms of the

991
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:53,599
british isles from when we transferred

992
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:56,640
from hunter-gatherers to animal and crop

993
00:39:02,310 --> 00:38:58,720
husbandry

994
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:02,320
and it's from those you know those early

995
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:04,160
beginnings of growing crop

996
00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:06,880
those ancestors also built the stone

997
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:08,000
circles

998
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:11,040
um in that same area stonehenge breeze

999
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:12,160
silvery hill

1000
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:14,079
there's probably only about 25 percent

1001
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:15,200
of the monuments

1002
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:18,079
in existence today uh the romans came

1003
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:18,880
and destroyed

1004
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:21,280
almost 75 of them when they when they

1005
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:22,880
occupied the land

1006
00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:24,640
um but there's still enough there for us

1007
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:26,720
to know that human beings had

1008
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:29,440
a massive predilection to building these

1009
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:30,800
monuments

1010
00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:33,839
um and then we see the british empire

1011
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:37,520
uh growing from its surplus of grain

1012
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:39,359
uh the surplus of grain was the

1013
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:42,000
beginnings of of independent wealth and

1014
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:43,200
land ownership

1015
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:46,160
and from an in form a surplus of grain

1016
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:47,119
we

1017
00:39:51,109 --> 00:39:49,440
moved on to take slaves and send them

1018
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:51,119
out to the caribbean all in the

1019
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:54,240
name of the commonwealth uh and become

1020
00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:57,280
the uh the most powerful

1021
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:00,880
um empire in the empire race

1022
00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:04,240
that went on through those years and so

1023
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:07,359
we can look at where we are today

1024
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:09,359
in terms of we live in an economic

1025
00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:10,800
reality that's run

1026
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:15,839
by money and know that its origins

1027
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:18,160
as far as we are concerned from britain

1028
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:19,040
and from the

1029
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:20,720
influence of the english language and so

1030
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:22,400
on has its origins

1031
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:25,599
in that very location in wiltshire so if

1032
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:27,440
the crop circles were

1033
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:29,200
part of the crop circle message or

1034
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:32,160
communication was for us to reflect upon

1035
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:32,960
ourselves

1036
00:40:37,750 --> 00:40:35,760
where we've been where we are now and

1037
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:37,760
what choices we could make to change the

1038
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:39,760
potential future of where we are where

1039
00:40:42,309 --> 00:40:40,480
we're going

1040
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:42,319
and farming plays a big role of that

1041
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:44,960
with pesticides and monocultures and

1042
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:47,680
how it's wiping out um you know a lot of

1043
00:40:52,030 --> 00:40:50,079
the bees and so on and so forth

1044
00:40:54,309 --> 00:40:52,040
then then it would be a brilliant way to

1045
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:54,319
contextualize the message

1046
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:57,359
to put these symbols in crops

1047
00:41:01,990 --> 00:41:00,160
in an area where farming began for the

1048
00:41:05,910 --> 00:41:02,000
most powerful empire

1049
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:05,920
that run that ran the world up until now

1050
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:07,440
i have a little different take on that

1051
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:08,800
martin could i add mine

1052
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:12,160
you bet yeah uh

1053
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:14,240
i'm not aware that any agroglyphs

1054
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:16,400
anywhere else in the world

1055
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:19,440
even remotely compare to what is turned

1056
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:20,400
up

1057
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:24,000
in the uk fields

1058
00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:27,760
and because there is the world's a big

1059
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:29,440
place

1060
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:31,520
so if you want to get a couple of guys

1061
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:33,680
together and go out and create a

1062
00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:38,000
agriglyph sand glyph whatever

1063
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:40,880
take a week if it's remote enough take

1064
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:42,560
all the time you need camp out have some

1065
00:41:46,829 --> 00:41:43,920
barbecues

1066
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:46,839
so i i would i would somewhat

1067
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:48,960
controversially suggest

1068
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:52,560
that not a single agroglyph or

1069
00:41:57,750 --> 00:41:55,760
equivalent outside of the uk is e.t at

1070
00:42:01,349 --> 00:41:57,760
all

1071
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:01,359
secondly i think there's two reasons why

1072
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:02,720
the uk

1073
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:05,599
won because in order to get the message

1074
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:07,200
across they're trying to convey as i've

1075
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:09,280
described it

1076
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:11,760
one place is all you need you don't need

1077
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:12,960
to do it anywhere else

1078
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:14,480
just one place remember they're dealing

1079
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:16,079
with the world they're dealing with this

1080
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:16,560
globe

1081
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:18,800
not with this nation or that nation or

1082
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:20,960
anything else just need one location

1083
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:22,960
you want the you want the focus to be

1084
00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:24,079
one place

1085
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:27,280
so that the message is clear repeated

1086
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:30,640
straightforward right uh and the second

1087
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:30,960
is

1088
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:35,599
ancient aliens fan and an ancient alien

1089
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:37,280
alumnus i must say

1090
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:39,760
uh yeah the entities have come down over

1091
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:40,319
the many

1092
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:43,680
millennia here and there

1093
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:45,920
it's a big planet they didn't visit

1094
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,440
everywhere

1095
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:49,680
there are some notable areas where they

1096
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:50,640
engaged

1097
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:53,520
various times and we're finding evidence

1098
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:54,160
of that

1099
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:57,040
clearly and that will all get resolved

1100
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:59,200
post-disclosure and george joseph locus

1101
00:43:01,589 --> 00:42:59,440
and

1102
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:01,599
i think will probably toast along with

1103
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:03,440
uh eric and many others

1104
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:05,359
that they got a lot right not all of it

1105
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:06,800
but a lot of it right

1106
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:10,720
um and when you the nature of this the

1107
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:14,480
stonehenge the circles and all of that

1108
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:17,599
just compels me to think that this was a

1109
00:43:23,349 --> 00:43:19,200
place that they came down

1110
00:43:25,750 --> 00:43:23,359
and invested some time a long time ago

1111
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:25,760
when the uk by the way was not an island

1112
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:26,480
it was

1113
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:28,480
simply an extension of europe land

1114
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:30,240
bridge all the way over towards uh

1115
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:34,640
you know the uh norway and so forth um

1116
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:38,079
and there is a

1117
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:40,560
these a lot of these uh artifacts we're

1118
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:42,079
finding in that area

1119
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:44,160
stem back to e.t connections and has

1120
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:45,680
moved forward in time

1121
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:48,720
many many many thousands of years in the

1122
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:49,680
uh

1123
00:43:53,190 --> 00:43:50,800
in the lore and the myth and the

1124
00:43:55,990 --> 00:43:53,200
religions of the brits and so

1125
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:56,000
in that sense uk has a special place

1126
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:56,560
that

1127
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,240
i don't know take a spot in south

1128
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:00,240
america it doesn't have it

1129
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:04,880
right america may not have it

1130
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:07,680
we not may not have been one of the

1131
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:09,280
places they decided to come down with

1132
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:11,280
any significance any significance though

1133
00:44:14,069 --> 00:44:12,880
native americans do have a lot of

1134
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:14,079
recollections

1135
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:15,680
so perhaps there is but that's that's

1136
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:19,359
kind of my take and i i like it because

1137
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:21,359
i think if that proved to be true the uk

1138
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:23,920
is going to have a lot of uh

1139
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:25,280
well it's going to be very proud i'm

1140
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:27,280
sure i mean their their legacy and

1141
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:29,359
connection to this unfolding phenomenon

1142
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:31,040
its ultimate resolution is going to be

1143
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:33,599
very powerful i think and we may learn

1144
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:35,280
more in detail

1145
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:37,920
about the time when the ancient

1146
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:40,000
ancestors of the modern brits

1147
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:42,480
were directly engaging ets in some form

1148
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:43,520
or fashion

1149
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:47,520
and these huge numbers of

1150
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:51,440
of stone circles uh i forgot how many

1151
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:54,480
have been is a lot uh somehow date back

1152
00:45:01,990 --> 00:44:59,270
well here's a question that came in from

1153
00:45:02,710 --> 00:45:02,000
chat from anonymous rex yes they are

1154
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:02,720
here but

1155
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:04,720
what does all this mean in the contact

1156
00:45:10,150 --> 00:45:06,640
narrative does anyone want to tackle

1157
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:12,309
as far as their what does this mean in

1158
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:14,720
the crop circles as far as the

1159
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:18,240
contact narrative contact with contact

1160
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:21,200
with humans like abduction or contact in

1161
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:22,240
the general

1162
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:25,760
i i'm just i'm i'm just reading it as uh

1163
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:28,000
the discussion how does this how does

1164
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:30,400
this engage in discussion

1165
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:33,599
um and anyone can tackle that i think

1166
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:34,240
there's

1167
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:38,880
um if we are to believe that

1168
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:43,280
these messages are being uh

1169
00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:46,319
you know given to us because

1170
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:49,599
somebody's watching us

1171
00:45:56,550 --> 00:45:53,200
um i think it's pretty safe to say

1172
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:56,560
that there's concern

1173
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:59,280
for our future and where we're going you

1174
00:46:02,230 --> 00:46:01,200
know gary talked about where we're going

1175
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:02,240
where we've been

1176
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:05,359
where we are um

1177
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:08,400
it seems that whoever is trying to

1178
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:09,359
interact with us

1179
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:13,440
in this sort of contact form through

1180
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:16,000
uh the glips and the crop circles

1181
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:17,440
they're concerned

1182
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:19,839
and uh there seems to be some kind of

1183
00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:26,150
i'll add i'll expand on that um

1184
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:27,440
one of the things that's not really

1185
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:29,440
thought about enough well

1186
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:31,200
it i take that back one of the things

1187
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:33,119
that someone like a political activist

1188
00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:34,880
or an exopla political activist would

1189
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:36,400
think about that the researchers might

1190
00:46:41,349 --> 00:46:37,599
not

1191
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:41,359
is this simple yet important

1192
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:45,680
uh aspect when an et craft

1193
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:48,640
came in at eighteen thousand i forget

1194
00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:50,000
how many miles an hour eight thousand

1195
00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:52,480
miles an hour and then just

1196
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:56,000
just casually circled a test rocket

1197
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:59,119
testing a nuclear warhead dummy and then

1198
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:59,520
use

1199
00:47:03,829 --> 00:47:01,280
some sort of beam to knock that warhead

1200
00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:03,839
off the top of that missile

1201
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:06,160
they knew they were being filmed they

1202
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:07,040
might not have known

1203
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:08,800
robert jacobs name but they knew they

1204
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:10,079
were being filmed

1205
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:12,480
they knew that's going to be seen when

1206
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:13,760
e.t craft had flown

1207
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:16,640
over the uh our sac bases in the midwest

1208
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:18,560
like maelstrom and others

1209
00:47:22,390 --> 00:47:20,400
hovered there over the gate and then

1210
00:47:24,309 --> 00:47:22,400
turned the missiles off

1211
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:24,319
i mean there was a reason they did that

1212
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:25,520
but be assured

1213
00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:29,680
they knew they were being seen right

1214
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:32,559
when they when they put the crop circles

1215
00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:33,200
down

1216
00:47:38,549 --> 00:47:34,720
they don't get seen but they know full

1217
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:38,559
well what that means

1218
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:41,040
the instances when et's have done things

1219
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:42,319
which clearly

1220
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:44,800
known that knew they would be seen there

1221
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:46,319
is a fundamental message

1222
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:49,680
there we are here

1223
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:51,520
if you haven't figured it out let me

1224
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:53,920
remind you we are here

1225
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:56,079
and then again another month goes by for

1226
00:48:00,950 --> 00:47:57,280
we are here

1227
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:00,960
over and over again for 70 years

1228
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:03,359
when they fly over the nation's capital

1229
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:07,599
for a number of days in july of 1952

1230
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:09,440
it's possible that they were going out

1231
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:10,640
for milk or

1232
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:12,640
maybe they just needed to take a break

1233
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:13,839
and that area was

1234
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:17,119
whatever the hell they knew that huge

1235
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:19,040
numbers of politicians and high-end

1236
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:20,720
journalists would see that

1237
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:24,000
and know they are here

1238
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:27,119
and so this is non-trivial that's a

1239
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:27,839
factor

1240
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:29,680
i think in the case of the crop circles

1241
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:31,680
it's really blatant

1242
00:48:36,069 --> 00:48:34,079
they fly they turn the nuclear weapons

1243
00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:36,079
off to send us a message that was a

1244
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:39,280
pretty important task it had a start in

1245
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:40,000
the beginning

1246
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:43,280
and they've done it a number of times

1247
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:45,520
the fact that we would see that film

1248
00:48:50,069 --> 00:48:46,800
that many cases

1249
00:48:51,750 --> 00:48:50,079
thus confirming they're here

1250
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:51,760
secondary perhaps but in the case of the

1251
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:54,319
crop circles

1252
00:48:58,549 --> 00:48:56,240
i think the only message there is we're

1253
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:58,559
here and we're going to tell you over

1254
00:49:02,150 --> 00:49:00,160
and over again but we're going to do it

1255
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:02,160
really nice and really sweet

1256
00:49:07,589 --> 00:49:05,760
okay and so why would the ets year after

1257
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:07,599
year keep telling us we're here we're

1258
00:49:14,549 --> 00:49:12,870
because we will not acknowledge that

1259
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:14,559
they're here and by we i mean the

1260
00:49:17,589 --> 00:49:15,520
governments

1261
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:17,599
the ones that take our tax money the

1262
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:19,440
ones that make us go to war

1263
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:21,119
the ones that destroy the environment

1264
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:23,119
and a thousand other damn things they do

1265
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:25,119
which are destroying what

1266
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:27,760
good we've created here they're telling

1267
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:29,280
the governments

1268
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:32,400
right we're here

1269
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:36,079
and you need to acknowledge it

1270
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:39,200
if they if if that was irrelevant

1271
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:41,280
they could have gone from we're here to

1272
00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:42,960
oh yeah we're here

1273
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:46,160
anytime they wanted to they've had well

1274
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:48,880
they've done it in the past but

1275
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:50,960
revealing themselves to the egyptians

1276
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:51,520
say

1277
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:55,040
2000 bc is not the same thing is

1278
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:57,680
as quote revealing themselves in in

1279
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:58,079
whatever

1280
00:50:01,589 --> 00:50:00,559
fashion limited or otherwise to a global

1281
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:01,599
civilization

1282
00:50:05,829 --> 00:50:03,760
of high technology with seven billion

1283
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:05,839
people it is not the same thing

1284
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:09,200
we are not egypt we're not

1285
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:11,599
go back they tepi we're not any of that

1286
00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:13,839
we are in another world in fact we are

1287
00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:15,200
practically on the same

1288
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:18,319
level of them in certain ways i think

1289
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:21,359
i think um jim wants to chime in here

1290
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:23,280
with his opinion on some of that stuff

1291
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:24,800
so go ahead

1292
00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:27,599
there's a couple of things uh when you

1293
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:28,800
say they're here

1294
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:31,920
we say we've been saying it for 70 years

1295
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:33,440
i have a friend i have a friend of mine

1296
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:35,280
who works at for the national security

1297
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:36,000
agency

1298
00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:38,800
you know she won't talk on the phone but

1299
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:39,680
uh

1300
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:40,880
i've known her for a whole bunch of

1301
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:43,040
years and a while back i sent her an

1302
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:43,920
email

1303
00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:46,160
do you believe in ufos and i got an

1304
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:47,599
immediately

1305
00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:52,079
immediate response back and it said

1306
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:54,160
have you seen one i said no i'm just

1307
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:55,520
curious and he said

1308
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:57,440
i can't say anything on this on this

1309
00:51:02,630 --> 00:50:58,880
platform i

1310
00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:02,640
email or even on the on the cell phone

1311
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:06,319
he said she said but they're here

1312
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:09,440
and the other the other uh item is ben

1313
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:10,240
rich

1314
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:13,200
the former president and general manager

1315
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:14,720
of the lockheed skunk works we are

1316
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:16,000
friends for

1317
00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:19,440
25 years and i spoke to him just before

1318
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:21,520
he passed away at usc medical center in

1319
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:22,800
the in the

1320
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:26,160
late 90s and we're talking about a bunch

1321
00:51:30,549 --> 00:51:27,760
of other stuff we got to

1322
00:51:31,589 --> 00:51:30,559
to ufos and things that go bump in the

1323
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:31,599
night

1324
00:51:36,549 --> 00:51:34,559
and this is directly from ben rich to me

1325
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:36,559
and ben was kelly johnson's replacement

1326
00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:38,160
at the skunk works

1327
00:51:42,309 --> 00:51:40,960
ben told me he said jim we have things

1328
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:42,319
out in the desert and he wasn't

1329
00:51:47,109 --> 00:51:44,640
referring to area 51

1330
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:47,119
but we have things out in the desert

1331
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:47,680
that is

1332
00:51:52,950 --> 00:51:51,359
50 years beyond what you can comprehend

1333
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:52,960
not what you think you can build in 50

1334
00:51:56,790 --> 00:51:55,440
years but what you can comprehend in

1335
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:56,800
other words

1336
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:58,880
and he was referring to my imagination

1337
00:52:03,510 --> 00:52:00,240
not just the general

1338
00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:03,520
population and he said if you've seen

1339
00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:04,000
movies

1340
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:07,040
like star trek or star wars we've been

1341
00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:08,160
there

1342
00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:10,480
done that or decided it wasn't worth the

1343
00:52:14,950 --> 00:52:11,920
effort

1344
00:52:15,670 --> 00:52:14,960
and just prior to that he had spoke at

1345
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:15,680
usc

1346
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:19,680
a ucla alumni aeronautical engineering

1347
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:20,400
function

1348
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:24,720
he was the keynote speaker and he said

1349
00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:28,400
we have the ability today to send

1350
00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:31,599
or take e.t home

1351
00:52:35,349 --> 00:52:33,280
but the government won't release the

1352
00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:35,359
information

1353
00:52:39,430 --> 00:52:37,920
so this is this is from the number one

1354
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:39,440
premier

1355
00:52:43,990 --> 00:52:42,000
knows every dark secret when it comes to

1356
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:44,000
aviation and things that go bump in the

1357
00:52:47,910 --> 00:52:45,040
night

1358
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:47,920
for ben rich to state that publicly at

1359
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:48,880
ucla

1360
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:51,760
and then directly to me just before he

1361
00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:53,680
passed away

1362
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:56,400
tells me that they're here they're here

1363
00:53:02,150 --> 00:52:59,040
they've been here on a regular basis

1364
00:53:02,870 --> 00:53:02,160
and the other the other thing i worked i

1365
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:02,880
worked at kitt

1366
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:07,040
peak national observatories as a docent

1367
00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:08,880
and i was there for a couple years and

1368
00:53:13,349 --> 00:53:10,240
just before i

1369
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:13,359
left we had a meeting of all the

1370
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:15,359
astronomers

1371
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:18,000
all the technicians and all the docents

1372
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:19,760
and support staff

1373
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:21,760
now kit peek those of you who aren't

1374
00:53:27,910 --> 00:53:24,160
familiar with it it's about 50 miles due

1375
00:53:29,750 --> 00:53:27,920
west of of tucson there are 22 optical

1376
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:29,760
telescopes up there

1377
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:32,880
from a from a 12 inch to a

1378
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:36,640
to a 4 meter the male uh telescope

1379
00:53:43,829 --> 00:53:39,760
plus two radio telescopes a

1380
00:53:47,030 --> 00:53:43,839
12 meter and a 25 meter radio telescope

1381
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:47,040
one of the smaller telescopes the 2.1

1382
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:48,160
meter

1383
00:53:54,549 --> 00:53:51,359
was remotely operated by caltech

1384
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:54,559
for five years using adaptive optics

1385
00:53:58,470 --> 00:53:57,280
they were adjusting the the mirror one

1386
00:54:01,109 --> 00:53:58,480
of the mirrors

1387
00:54:03,030 --> 00:54:01,119
1200 times a second to eliminate

1388
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:03,040
distortion

1389
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:06,000
and in a small part of the milky way

1390
00:54:10,150 --> 00:54:07,119
they identified

1391
00:54:12,069 --> 00:54:10,160
8 000 exoplanets

1392
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:12,079
fast forward to this meeting that i was

1393
00:54:19,750 --> 00:54:13,200
at

1394
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:19,760
the uh astronomer had astronomers said

1395
00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:20,160
he just

1396
00:54:24,069 --> 00:54:21,680
had just returned from a major

1397
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:24,079
conference on exoplanets

1398
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:26,559
and they they have done calculations and

1399
00:54:28,790 --> 00:54:28,400
they and these are the scientists these

1400
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:28,800
aren't

1401
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:31,680
you know the the the wannabes or

1402
00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:33,599
whatever these are guys who really

1403
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:36,960
you can see the edge of the universe

1404
00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:39,359
and he said based on our calculations we

1405
00:54:42,870 --> 00:54:41,760
estimate that for every star in the

1406
00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:42,880
universe

1407
00:54:49,270 --> 00:54:46,000
there's one and a half planets now just

1408
00:54:51,829 --> 00:54:49,280
think about that number for a second

1409
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:51,839
and out of that incredible number of

1410
00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:52,640
planets

1411
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:55,119
they calculate that there are

1412
00:55:00,309 --> 00:54:56,079
approximately

1413
00:55:04,230 --> 00:55:00,319
2 billion and that's with a b 2 billion

1414
00:55:07,589 --> 00:55:04,240
earth-like planets orbiting a similar

1415
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:07,599
brown dwarf star as our sun

1416
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:11,599
in an inhabitable zone with liquid water

1417
00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:13,760
and to quote jody foster's character in

1418
00:55:18,069 --> 00:55:15,440
the movie contact

1419
00:55:19,589 --> 00:55:18,079
if we're the only ones with a waste of

1420
00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:19,599
space

1421
00:55:23,109 --> 00:55:22,000
right well i could do a show with just

1422
00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:23,119
you jim

1423
00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:25,680
awesome uh so it's time for us to go

1424
00:55:28,549 --> 00:55:26,720
into the break

1425
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:28,559
so we're gonna go into a three minute

1426
00:55:32,549 --> 00:55:30,400
and thirty second break

1427
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:32,559
and during that break i'm going to play

1428
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:34,000
a video that was

1429
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:38,000
made by our guest gary king hackmanhill

1430
00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:41,200
in 2018 and for those of you over at

1431
00:55:46,829 --> 00:55:42,720
kgra radio

1432
00:55:46,839 --> 00:55:58,310
commercials

1433
00:58:36,950 --> 00:56:18,340
[Music]

1434
00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:39,510
i'm going to bring them all in one at a

1435
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:40,319
time here

1436
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:42,960
we have stephen bassett we have gary

1437
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:43,920
king

1438
00:58:47,589 --> 00:58:47,040
darcy weir and jim goodall we're all

1439
00:58:50,230 --> 00:58:47,599
here

1440
00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:50,240
and thank you all for joining us uh that

1441
00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:51,280
was fascinating

1442
00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:53,520
uh jim at the end of what you were

1443
00:58:58,230 --> 00:58:54,480
talking about

1444
00:59:01,510 --> 00:58:58,240
uh so many interesting things um

1445
00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:01,520
so jim since you're the the last one

1446
00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:04,799
to talk i'd like to ask you um

1447
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:07,280
what are your thoughts on you know this

1448
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:09,200
is a topic you normally wouldn't talk

1449
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:10,720
about crop circles i mean

1450
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:14,160
do you have any opinion at all on them

1451
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:16,000
i mean i i've seen i've seen some of the

1452
00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:18,400
videos of all of a sudden they appear or

1453
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:21,359
the orbs are flying over

1454
00:59:24,390 --> 00:59:23,280
we don't have that ability they've been

1455
00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:24,400
talking about crop

1456
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:26,720
circles for a long long time not just

1457
00:59:32,549 --> 00:59:30,240
not just the last 70 years

1458
00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:32,559
and the complexity of some of those

1459
00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:34,079
things there's no way

1460
00:59:38,710 --> 00:59:35,680
there's no way you could bring in a

1461
00:59:39,589 --> 00:59:38,720
hundred people with a diagram and and

1462
00:59:42,069 --> 00:59:39,599
have everything

1463
00:59:43,990 --> 00:59:42,079
all all you know charted out that you're

1464
00:59:45,349 --> 00:59:44,000
going to take this square and do this or

1465
00:59:49,349 --> 00:59:45,359
that

1466
00:59:52,069 --> 00:59:49,359
circles

1467
00:59:53,109 --> 00:59:52,079
is impossible it's impossible it's just

1468
00:59:56,710 --> 00:59:53,119
yeah

1469
01:00:00,150 --> 00:59:56,720
uh and and again i i

1470
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:00,160
i go back to i go back to ben rich in

1471
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:03,520
a letter that john and the late john

1472
01:00:08,789 --> 01:00:05,520
andrews from tester's model company

1473
01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:08,799
wrote ben rich and asked ben

1474
01:00:13,030 --> 01:00:11,520
do you believe in ufos and there's two

1475
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:13,040
categories both man made an

1476
01:00:16,870 --> 01:00:14,640
extraterrestrial

1477
01:00:17,910 --> 01:00:16,880
and ben wrote back on his corporate

1478
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:17,920
letterhead as

1479
01:00:23,190 --> 01:00:21,119
president of the lockheed skunk works

1480
01:00:25,430 --> 01:00:23,200
he said both kelly and i are firm

1481
01:00:27,829 --> 01:00:25,440
believers in both categories

1482
01:00:29,190 --> 01:00:27,839
we refer to ours as unfunded

1483
01:00:31,750 --> 01:00:29,200
opportunities

1484
01:00:33,430 --> 01:00:31,760
he said but beware there are there are

1485
01:00:37,109 --> 01:00:33,440
people who lead you astray

1486
01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:37,119
and possibly do you harm and

1487
01:00:40,710 --> 01:00:39,599
that was in june of 86 when he when he

1488
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:40,720
wrote when

1489
01:00:45,510 --> 01:00:43,920
ben wrote him that sent him that letter

1490
01:00:48,109 --> 01:00:45,520
yeah interesting there's just there's

1491
01:00:51,910 --> 01:00:48,119
just too many i have a i have a

1492
01:00:55,190 --> 01:00:51,920
sr-71 pilot friend who chased one

1493
01:00:56,230 --> 01:00:55,200
and left him in the dust my old boss in

1494
01:00:59,270 --> 01:00:56,240
the minnesota air

1495
01:01:02,549 --> 01:00:59,280
guard chase one in an f-94

1496
01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:02,559
and every time they they turned on their

1497
01:01:07,349 --> 01:01:05,200
weapons radar all the electronics would

1498
01:01:10,549 --> 01:01:07,359
die

1499
01:01:13,589 --> 01:01:10,559
are they real yes are we alone

1500
01:01:16,309 --> 01:01:13,599
no we're not um and the other thing

1501
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:16,319
and that we haven't mentioned is i knew

1502
01:01:19,990 --> 01:01:18,240
bob lazar before he went to work out in

1503
01:01:24,150 --> 01:01:20,000
the desert

1504
01:01:25,829 --> 01:01:24,160
and before he went to work out at s4

1505
01:01:29,030 --> 01:01:25,839
you couldn't put a gun to his head to

1506
01:01:31,030 --> 01:01:29,040
convince him that ufos were real

1507
01:01:32,710 --> 01:01:31,040
and i have a piece on that that i did

1508
01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:32,720
with darcy last night

1509
01:01:39,829 --> 01:01:36,240
and it's very telling

1510
01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:39,839
and i'm a hardware guy i'm not a ufo guy

1511
01:01:45,190 --> 01:01:42,720
i'm a hardware guy

1512
01:01:47,109 --> 01:01:45,200
and a technology guy and it's just

1513
01:01:48,150 --> 01:01:47,119
everything every all roads are leading

1514
01:01:50,950 --> 01:01:48,160
to the fact that

1515
01:01:52,630 --> 01:01:50,960
hey we're not alone and i honestly

1516
01:01:55,910 --> 01:01:52,640
believe i believe

1517
01:01:59,349 --> 01:01:55,920
before my time is up on this planet and

1518
01:02:03,270 --> 01:01:59,359
hopefully i live a long time i think

1519
01:02:05,510 --> 01:02:03,280
i think the time is coming very soon

1520
01:02:08,309 --> 01:02:05,520
that there's going to be a coming out

1521
01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:08,319
party so to speak

1522
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:12,400
and we're in for some exciting times

1523
01:02:15,910 --> 01:02:13,920
assuming the world doesn't blow up in

1524
01:02:19,750 --> 01:02:15,920
the next 90 days

1525
01:02:21,829 --> 01:02:19,760
yeah yeah we'll see well

1526
01:02:22,789 --> 01:02:21,839
i would be remiss if i didn't mention

1527
01:02:27,190 --> 01:02:22,799
the fact that

1528
01:02:30,710 --> 01:02:27,200
i'm i'm not a bob lazar endorser

1529
01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:30,720
um you know i just i don't believe

1530
01:02:36,069 --> 01:02:33,760
bob lazar's story and you can certainly

1531
01:02:38,870 --> 01:02:36,079
convince me otherwise or try to

1532
01:02:39,270 --> 01:02:38,880
but i just i just don't i haven't bought

1533
01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:39,280
it

1534
01:02:44,309 --> 01:02:41,920
from the beginning and i i still i still

1535
01:02:46,870 --> 01:02:44,319
don't buy it

1536
01:02:48,549 --> 01:02:46,880
the way the way i met bob lazar i mean

1537
01:02:51,510 --> 01:02:48,559
if we want to completely

1538
01:02:53,109 --> 01:02:51,520
we won't we won't go down that road but

1539
01:02:54,630 --> 01:02:53,119
before he went to work at work out in

1540
01:02:59,589 --> 01:02:54,640
the desert

1541
01:03:03,349 --> 01:03:02,789
and we all know what happened after that

1542
01:03:08,230 --> 01:03:03,359
yeah

1543
01:03:09,430 --> 01:03:08,240
for over 30 years

1544
01:03:11,670 --> 01:03:09,440
and i'm gonna go i'm gonna go spend a

1545
01:03:13,910 --> 01:03:11,680
couple days with him this summer if

1546
01:03:15,430 --> 01:03:13,920
if the world will ever you know unlock

1547
01:03:19,029 --> 01:03:15,440
itself and let us travel

1548
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:19,039
and move around yeah so yeah

1549
01:03:22,230 --> 01:03:20,880
we're getting we're getting toward that

1550
01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:22,240
um so

1551
01:03:27,510 --> 01:03:25,440
but anyway uh thank you for for all that

1552
01:03:28,549 --> 01:03:27,520
um i i do have a question just kind of

1553
01:03:31,829 --> 01:03:28,559
to throw it out to

1554
01:03:34,950 --> 01:03:31,839
to everyone here on on this has

1555
01:03:37,829 --> 01:03:34,960
anyone done any type of

1556
01:03:40,309 --> 01:03:37,839
research to see if there's any

1557
01:03:43,029 --> 01:03:40,319
consistency between crop circles

1558
01:03:44,069 --> 01:03:43,039
circles mathematically i'm talking i'm

1559
01:03:46,150 --> 01:03:44,079
not talking about

1560
01:03:47,829 --> 01:03:46,160
the consistency of what happens to the

1561
01:03:51,430 --> 01:03:47,839
plants or anything like that

1562
01:03:54,870 --> 01:03:51,440
but i mean with these geometric um

1563
01:03:56,309 --> 01:03:54,880
agroglyphs is there any math that can be

1564
01:03:59,510 --> 01:03:56,319
measured and compared

1565
01:03:59,990 --> 01:03:59,520
does anyone want to uh yeah talk about

1566
01:04:01,829 --> 01:04:00,000
that

1567
01:04:03,349 --> 01:04:01,839
yeah this is the gary this is this is

1568
01:04:06,390 --> 01:04:03,359
where we get on to talking about

1569
01:04:07,990 --> 01:04:06,400
you know some good stuff um most of the

1570
01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:08,000
conversation unfortunately gets held up

1571
01:04:11,750 --> 01:04:09,280
and does it are they real are they

1572
01:04:13,430 --> 01:04:11,760
man-made you know let's let's move on

1573
01:04:15,670 --> 01:04:13,440
but this is once you've overcome that

1574
01:04:17,029 --> 01:04:15,680
which i did in my in my research then

1575
01:04:18,230 --> 01:04:17,039
then you start to look at the juicy

1576
01:04:20,549 --> 01:04:18,240
stuff which is

1577
01:04:22,150 --> 01:04:20,559
what do the symbols mean man i i

1578
01:04:23,109 --> 01:04:22,160
personally think they're announcing much

1579
01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:23,119
more than

1580
01:04:27,190 --> 01:04:25,680
we hear because there's a dialogue and

1581
01:04:28,950 --> 01:04:27,200
there's categories

1582
01:04:31,750 --> 01:04:28,960
and as you as you mentioned one of the

1583
01:04:33,910 --> 01:04:31,760
categories is geometry which is

1584
01:04:35,349 --> 01:04:33,920
which is the language of form it is the

1585
01:04:37,750 --> 01:04:35,359
language of number

1586
01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:37,760
but number made visual geometry is

1587
01:04:41,029 --> 01:04:39,119
number in space so

1588
01:04:43,270 --> 01:04:41,039
triangle is three and a square is four

1589
01:04:46,150 --> 01:04:43,280
and so on so

1590
01:04:47,510 --> 01:04:46,160
what we found um is i mean i'll give you

1591
01:04:49,589 --> 01:04:47,520
one i'll give you one story there's

1592
01:04:51,589 --> 01:04:49,599
there's an abundance of of historical

1593
01:04:53,349 --> 01:04:51,599
mathematical solutions that have been

1594
01:04:56,309 --> 01:04:53,359
given to us in crop circles

1595
01:04:56,789 --> 01:04:56,319
which after consulting maths historians

1596
01:04:58,630 --> 01:04:56,799
we've

1597
01:05:00,390 --> 01:04:58,640
established that these have never been

1598
01:05:04,069 --> 01:05:00,400
solved in that way

1599
01:05:06,789 --> 01:05:04,079
or that accurately before in history so

1600
01:05:08,789 --> 01:05:06,799
we immediately know from the crop

1601
01:05:10,470 --> 01:05:08,799
circles that we've analyzed

1602
01:05:12,549 --> 01:05:10,480
that we've been given mathematical

1603
01:05:14,390 --> 01:05:12,559
solutions to an ancient puzzle called

1604
01:05:18,069 --> 01:05:14,400
squaring the circle

1605
01:05:20,390 --> 01:05:18,079
um in in ways which have never ever been

1606
01:05:21,990 --> 01:05:20,400
descript uh descriptive that accurately

1607
01:05:25,029 --> 01:05:22,000
before in history going right away

1608
01:05:28,390 --> 01:05:27,190
there's constant reference with any

1609
01:05:30,549 --> 01:05:28,400
pentagram you have

1610
01:05:32,069 --> 01:05:30,559
implicitly within the pentagram the

1611
01:05:34,549 --> 01:05:32,079
golden ratio

1612
01:05:35,430 --> 01:05:34,559
which is this magic ratio that we find

1613
01:05:37,829 --> 01:05:35,440
in nature

1614
01:05:38,630 --> 01:05:37,839
everywhere it's related to the fibonacci

1615
01:05:41,829 --> 01:05:38,640
sequence

1616
01:05:42,549 --> 01:05:41,839
which we find in ram's horns or the our

1617
01:05:44,549 --> 01:05:42,559
ear

1618
01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:44,559
or when we're born we have five teeth in

1619
01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:46,240
each quarter of our mouth which fall out

1620
01:05:52,390 --> 01:05:49,200
and replace by 80 the fibonacci sequence

1621
01:05:52,950 --> 01:05:52,400
and number moves through organic life

1622
01:05:59,270 --> 01:05:52,960
it's

1623
01:06:00,789 --> 01:05:59,280
so i believe we're being shown something

1624
01:06:02,870 --> 01:06:00,799
about um

1625
01:06:04,150 --> 01:06:02,880
what what our ancestors worked with and

1626
01:06:05,190 --> 01:06:04,160
toyed with his philosophers and

1627
01:06:07,990 --> 01:06:05,200
cosmologists

1628
01:06:10,150 --> 01:06:08,000
using geometry as a tool to explore if

1629
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:10,160
there is an intelligent design

1630
01:06:15,990 --> 01:06:13,440
behind the universe because if we

1631
01:06:18,309 --> 01:06:16,000
if we move away from dogmatic religion

1632
01:06:20,069 --> 01:06:18,319
and just believing that there's a god

1633
01:06:22,789 --> 01:06:20,079
to actually knowing that there is

1634
01:06:25,190 --> 01:06:22,799
something mysterious which is

1635
01:06:27,029 --> 01:06:25,200
um intelligent which intelligently

1636
01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:27,039
designed the universe

1637
01:06:31,109 --> 01:06:29,680
then we we we wake up in a different

1638
01:06:33,589 --> 01:06:31,119
world than the one we're in now where

1639
01:06:35,349 --> 01:06:33,599
we're not so sure

1640
01:06:37,510 --> 01:06:35,359
and so the answer to your question is

1641
01:06:39,190 --> 01:06:37,520
yes mathematically on a number of

1642
01:06:40,630 --> 01:06:39,200
occasions and i'm always happy to go

1643
01:06:41,589 --> 01:06:40,640
through the details of those because i

1644
01:06:44,390 --> 01:06:41,599
just think it's

1645
01:06:46,069 --> 01:06:44,400
absolutely thrilling um there have been

1646
01:06:47,990 --> 01:06:46,079
solutions given to us

1647
01:06:49,750 --> 01:06:48,000
to mathematical problems which

1648
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:49,760
historically have never been done that

1649
01:06:54,710 --> 01:06:50,640
accurately

1650
01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:58,470
interesting and what about

1651
01:07:02,230 --> 01:07:00,400
other parts of the world i mentioned

1652
01:07:04,150 --> 01:07:02,240
before i talked about

1653
01:07:05,349 --> 01:07:04,160
china does anyone because i know there's

1654
01:07:07,670 --> 01:07:05,359
some in russia

1655
01:07:08,470 --> 01:07:07,680
has anyone ever looked in you know china

1656
01:07:12,150 --> 01:07:08,480
has so much

1657
01:07:13,829 --> 01:07:12,160
vast land um open land as well

1658
01:07:15,430 --> 01:07:13,839
that you know people think of china's

1659
01:07:16,150 --> 01:07:15,440
just crowded but it's not there's a lot

1660
01:07:18,630 --> 01:07:16,160
of

1661
01:07:19,910 --> 01:07:18,640
beautiful land and crops and you know

1662
01:07:21,670 --> 01:07:19,920
there's

1663
01:07:24,549 --> 01:07:21,680
anything going on in china that we know

1664
01:07:25,990 --> 01:07:24,559
about or would we ever know about it

1665
01:07:27,750 --> 01:07:26,000
yeah this is the thing there's pyramids

1666
01:07:27,990 --> 01:07:27,760
in china but you can't get access to

1667
01:07:29,589 --> 01:07:28,000
them

1668
01:07:31,430 --> 01:07:29,599
i think we're talking about somewhere

1669
01:07:34,390 --> 01:07:31,440
that's heavily restricted

1670
01:07:34,950 --> 01:07:34,400
um there's been formations all over the

1671
01:07:37,029 --> 01:07:34,960
world

1672
01:07:38,470 --> 01:07:37,039
as you know and as steve pointed out it

1673
01:07:40,230 --> 01:07:38,480
could be that a lot of those are just

1674
01:07:41,750 --> 01:07:40,240
people who are going out and having a go

1675
01:07:42,710 --> 01:07:41,760
because they've seen what's coming up in

1676
01:07:44,870 --> 01:07:42,720
england because

1677
01:07:46,230 --> 01:07:44,880
they're not usually as complicated

1678
01:07:48,069 --> 01:07:46,240
they're not usually as

1679
01:07:50,230 --> 01:07:48,079
sophisticated as the ones we find in

1680
01:07:51,349 --> 01:07:50,240
england however i do believe that there

1681
01:07:54,069 --> 01:07:51,359
are some

1682
01:07:55,349 --> 01:07:54,079
and i mean the interest for me for

1683
01:07:56,950 --> 01:07:55,359
example i dinner i

1684
01:07:59,829 --> 01:07:56,960
dinner on saturday night with eight

1685
01:08:02,230 --> 01:07:59,839
military generals from here in mexico

1686
01:08:03,430 --> 01:08:02,240
and we had i'm actually having breakfast

1687
01:08:05,029 --> 01:08:03,440
with them next thursday as well they

1688
01:08:06,549 --> 01:08:05,039
want me to give them a presentation but

1689
01:08:09,510 --> 01:08:06,559
they have told me

1690
01:08:13,349 --> 01:08:09,520
that there are reports of crop circles

1691
01:08:16,789 --> 01:08:13,359
from the 1940s 1947 and 1954

1692
01:08:19,749 --> 01:08:16,799
in their military records simple circles

1693
01:08:21,430 --> 01:08:19,759
but it shows that this phenomenon of

1694
01:08:23,669 --> 01:08:21,440
crop circles

1695
01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:23,679
um has been around there's a wonderful

1696
01:08:25,910 --> 01:08:25,440
book on kindle that people can read

1697
01:08:27,510 --> 01:08:25,920
called

1698
01:08:29,749 --> 01:08:27,520
the history of crop circles written by

1699
01:08:31,269 --> 01:08:29,759
terry wilson who did exhaustive work

1700
01:08:33,430 --> 01:08:31,279
going right the way back to as you

1701
01:08:35,349 --> 01:08:33,440
showed 1678 with

1702
01:08:36,630 --> 01:08:35,359
the mowing devil and then robert plot at

1703
01:08:39,669 --> 01:08:36,640
oxford university

1704
01:08:42,229 --> 01:08:39,679
talked about it and i've got a bunch of

1705
01:08:43,749 --> 01:08:42,239
a bunch of i wrote an episode for 16

1706
01:08:45,510 --> 01:08:43,759
episodes for gaia tv and one of those

1707
01:08:48,070 --> 01:08:45,520
was on the history of crop circles

1708
01:08:50,229 --> 01:08:48,080
and i go through so many reports of

1709
01:08:51,590 --> 01:08:50,239
police being involved of fire being in

1710
01:08:52,789 --> 01:08:51,600
the fields and people running out

1711
01:08:54,709 --> 01:08:52,799
finding these circles

1712
01:08:56,309 --> 01:08:54,719
and so on so it's going to be very

1713
01:08:57,829 --> 01:08:56,319
interesting if these mexican generals

1714
01:08:58,630 --> 01:08:57,839
give me some files in the next couple of

1715
01:09:01,189 --> 01:08:58,640
weeks

1716
01:09:02,950 --> 01:09:01,199
which show that we've got um activity

1717
01:09:04,709 --> 01:09:02,960
going back into the 40s that they've got

1718
01:09:07,829 --> 01:09:04,719
on record

1719
01:09:11,189 --> 01:09:07,839
another another question is why

1720
01:09:11,669 --> 01:09:11,199
would you suppose um anyone can answer

1721
01:09:13,990 --> 01:09:11,679
this

1722
01:09:16,390 --> 01:09:14,000
why would you suppose that they would

1723
01:09:18,950 --> 01:09:16,400
have started out so simple

1724
01:09:19,990 --> 01:09:18,960
and then graduated to something like

1725
01:09:22,550 --> 01:09:20,000
this beautiful one up

1726
01:09:23,110 --> 01:09:22,560
on the screen i mean that's so intense

1727
01:09:25,269 --> 01:09:23,120
well

1728
01:09:27,110 --> 01:09:25,279
i i was i was taken to the crop circles

1729
01:09:28,789 --> 01:09:27,120
by a man who became my teacher for ten

1730
01:09:29,189 --> 01:09:28,799
years and he was very knowledgeable and

1731
01:09:31,349 --> 01:09:29,199
he

1732
01:09:32,870 --> 01:09:31,359
and i and i've sort of stuck with his

1733
01:09:34,390 --> 01:09:32,880
explanation that he gave me

1734
01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:34,400
it's a dialogue that started at the

1735
01:09:37,510 --> 01:09:36,960
beginning geometry as i've mentioned is

1736
01:09:40,070 --> 01:09:37,520
number

1737
01:09:41,510 --> 01:09:40,080
in space and so they started with the

1738
01:09:43,510 --> 01:09:41,520
simple circle

1739
01:09:45,990 --> 01:09:43,520
which represents one it represents what

1740
01:09:48,950 --> 01:09:46,000
they used to call the monad

1741
01:09:50,070 --> 01:09:48,960
now that simple circle is actually very

1742
01:09:52,390 --> 01:09:50,080
profound

1743
01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:52,400
and simple at the same time which i

1744
01:09:55,189 --> 01:09:53,520
think is absolutely brilliant if you

1745
01:09:56,870 --> 01:09:55,199
find something that's very simple and it

1746
01:09:59,189 --> 01:09:56,880
actually contains

1747
01:10:00,149 --> 01:09:59,199
profundity it's a remarkable and a

1748
01:10:02,310 --> 01:10:00,159
circle is that

1749
01:10:03,590 --> 01:10:02,320
the diameter of a circle is one side of

1750
01:10:06,790 --> 01:10:03,600
a square

1751
01:10:07,270 --> 01:10:06,800
and the circumference in relationship to

1752
01:10:10,470 --> 01:10:07,280
that

1753
01:10:12,310 --> 01:10:10,480
diameter is not a whole number so we've

1754
01:10:13,590 --> 01:10:12,320
got something which is finite which is

1755
01:10:16,229 --> 01:10:13,600
the diameter

1756
01:10:17,830 --> 01:10:16,239
taken as one and then the relationship

1757
01:10:19,590 --> 01:10:17,840
of the circumference to that one

1758
01:10:21,510 --> 01:10:19,600
is three point one four five nine two

1759
01:10:24,709 --> 01:10:21,520
six four blah blah blah on and on

1760
01:10:28,229 --> 01:10:24,719
infinity and so you've got

1761
01:10:30,310 --> 01:10:28,239
um a wholeness depicted in a circle no

1762
01:10:32,709 --> 01:10:30,320
matter how big or small

1763
01:10:34,149 --> 01:10:32,719
and you've also got infinity and its

1764
01:10:35,189 --> 01:10:34,159
relationship to something which is

1765
01:10:38,149 --> 01:10:35,199
finite which is us

1766
01:10:39,750 --> 01:10:38,159
we have a finite life and we just we did

1767
01:10:40,229 --> 01:10:39,760
we debate about whether or not we have a

1768
01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:40,239
soul

1769
01:10:43,350 --> 01:10:42,960
which goes on and is infinite um and so

1770
01:10:46,310 --> 01:10:43,360
there's

1771
01:10:47,110 --> 01:10:46,320
actually quite a lot of um and it's like

1772
01:10:49,510 --> 01:10:47,120
any symbol

1773
01:10:51,189 --> 01:10:49,520
okay symbols if you look up symbols i

1774
01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:51,199
went to university and studied

1775
01:10:55,030 --> 01:10:53,520
semiotics and language and communication

1776
01:10:55,669 --> 01:10:55,040
what you find with symbols is that they

1777
01:10:59,910 --> 01:10:55,679
are meant

1778
01:11:01,910 --> 01:10:59,920
to convey multi-level multi-layers

1779
01:11:04,070 --> 01:11:01,920
of of meaning anyone who's been in the

1780
01:11:05,350 --> 01:11:04,080
freemasons knows that every single part

1781
01:11:07,270 --> 01:11:05,360
of the symbols

1782
01:11:10,229 --> 01:11:07,280
contains different parts of the meaning

1783
01:11:11,910 --> 01:11:10,239
which you are eventually initiated into

1784
01:11:13,910 --> 01:11:11,920
to understand the deeper meanings behind

1785
01:11:15,189 --> 01:11:13,920
the symbol but they are meant to show us

1786
01:11:17,350 --> 01:11:15,199
something about the side of

1787
01:11:19,669 --> 01:11:17,360
life and the side of reality that we

1788
01:11:22,630 --> 01:11:19,679
can't see

1789
01:11:24,229 --> 01:11:22,640
and so we are talking about relating to

1790
01:11:25,830 --> 01:11:24,239
something which is metaphysical

1791
01:11:28,229 --> 01:11:25,840
something which is

1792
01:11:29,669 --> 01:11:28,239
unseen by us something that i believe

1793
01:11:31,510 --> 01:11:29,679
we've let go of

1794
01:11:33,189 --> 01:11:31,520
and that that's why i believe that you

1795
01:11:35,030 --> 01:11:33,199
if it's et's making the crop circulation

1796
01:11:36,149 --> 01:11:35,040
highly likely it could be a combination

1797
01:11:38,709 --> 01:11:36,159
of authors

1798
01:11:40,070 --> 01:11:38,719
that we are not in a in a position as i

1799
01:11:42,070 --> 01:11:40,080
think we used to be

1800
01:11:43,990 --> 01:11:42,080
when we made stone circles to

1801
01:11:47,030 --> 01:11:44,000
communicate with them

1802
01:11:48,950 --> 01:11:47,040
um because we've kind of gone so far

1803
01:11:51,270 --> 01:11:48,960
into the material realm

1804
01:11:52,950 --> 01:11:51,280
that we're just going to be going oh oh

1805
01:11:56,390 --> 01:11:52,960
they really are true then are they

1806
01:11:59,510 --> 01:11:56,400
how do we have a dialogue with um

1807
01:12:03,430 --> 01:11:59,520
with a species that communicates in a

1808
01:12:06,870 --> 01:12:05,110
and so that's why i believe that they're

1809
01:12:10,070 --> 01:12:06,880
trying to get us ready

1810
01:12:12,310 --> 01:12:10,080
for form of communication

1811
01:12:14,550 --> 01:12:12,320
very interesting this is a just i'm

1812
01:12:17,910 --> 01:12:14,560
going to post this up as a question

1813
01:12:19,510 --> 01:12:17,920
um it doesn't to me it wouldn't make

1814
01:12:20,950 --> 01:12:19,520
sense but i mean this is a question

1815
01:12:23,750 --> 01:12:20,960
someone's asking

1816
01:12:25,830 --> 01:12:23,760
could any of the circles that appear

1817
01:12:28,950 --> 01:12:25,840
precise be created by

1818
01:12:31,910 --> 01:12:28,960
coded robots

1819
01:12:33,030 --> 01:12:31,920
in conjunction with ground rollers used

1820
01:12:34,470 --> 01:12:33,040
by many farmers

1821
01:12:36,470 --> 01:12:34,480
i mean would someone go through all that

1822
01:12:38,390 --> 01:12:36,480
trouble well i don't think so i mean

1823
01:12:39,750 --> 01:12:38,400
i've said this before you know um

1824
01:12:41,830 --> 01:12:39,760
there's a lot of talk over the years

1825
01:12:43,910 --> 01:12:41,840
about it being military technology from

1826
01:12:46,149 --> 01:12:43,920
satellites that's been down but

1827
01:12:47,590 --> 01:12:46,159
i just can't see military generals

1828
01:12:48,790 --> 01:12:47,600
sitting around the table and deciding

1829
01:12:50,630 --> 01:12:48,800
that they're going to create the

1830
01:12:52,390 --> 01:12:50,640
technology to make pretty patterns in

1831
01:12:54,550 --> 01:12:52,400
fields to scare the life out of

1832
01:12:56,790 --> 01:12:54,560
saddam hussein and the like i think

1833
01:12:58,229 --> 01:12:56,800
they're much more predisposed to

1834
01:12:59,910 --> 01:12:58,239
creating more weapons of mass

1835
01:13:02,950 --> 01:12:59,920
destruction than they are

1836
01:13:05,750 --> 01:13:02,960
things that could make pretty patterns

1837
01:13:07,270 --> 01:13:05,760
um i suppose it's conceivable with ai

1838
01:13:08,950 --> 01:13:07,280
these days to create a computer that

1839
01:13:09,590 --> 01:13:08,960
would learn how to create a pattern in

1840
01:13:11,430 --> 01:13:09,600
the wheat

1841
01:13:13,189 --> 01:13:11,440
and some device that would roll down the

1842
01:13:16,550 --> 01:13:13,199
crop as it went around

1843
01:13:18,390 --> 01:13:16,560
but as it stands no the um

1844
01:13:19,910 --> 01:13:18,400
the crop circles are very rarely on flat

1845
01:13:22,950 --> 01:13:19,920
ground they're on

1846
01:13:24,709 --> 01:13:22,960
they're on uneven ground it often rains

1847
01:13:25,990 --> 01:13:24,719
and so when you walk into those fields

1848
01:13:27,830 --> 01:13:26,000
your feet are

1849
01:13:30,149 --> 01:13:27,840
they weigh about two pounds more because

1850
01:13:33,510 --> 01:13:30,159
they're covered in clay soil

1851
01:13:35,350 --> 01:13:33,520
um and and when so when you mark out

1852
01:13:35,910 --> 01:13:35,360
this crop circle if it's on uneven

1853
01:13:37,590 --> 01:13:35,920
ground

1854
01:13:39,270 --> 01:13:37,600
you're not going to be creating a circle

1855
01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:39,280
on the ground to make it look circular

1856
01:13:41,750 --> 01:13:40,159
from above

1857
01:13:43,590 --> 01:13:41,760
you're going to be creating an elliptoid

1858
01:13:44,790 --> 01:13:43,600
shape an egg shape so that it looks

1859
01:13:46,550 --> 01:13:44,800
circular from above

1860
01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:46,560
to compensate for the topography of the

1861
01:13:51,189 --> 01:13:48,000
ground the

1862
01:13:53,910 --> 01:13:51,199
the complexity of what it would take

1863
01:13:55,270 --> 01:13:53,920
to simply flatten crop when you actually

1864
01:13:56,870 --> 01:13:55,280
look at it and start scratching your

1865
01:13:58,709 --> 01:13:56,880
head and talk to architects and people

1866
01:14:00,790 --> 01:13:58,719
who make things on the planet

1867
01:14:02,470 --> 01:14:00,800
they tell you that no this is not simple

1868
01:14:03,990 --> 01:14:02,480
and so there would have to be an awful

1869
01:14:05,350 --> 01:14:04,000
lot of research and development money

1870
01:14:06,550 --> 01:14:05,360
going into someone who wanted to build a

1871
01:14:08,870 --> 01:14:06,560
robot

1872
01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:08,880
um to make crop circles so i don't know

1873
01:14:11,270 --> 01:14:10,320
who put the money up

1874
01:14:15,669 --> 01:14:11,280
why would they do it they're not gonna

1875
01:14:18,630 --> 01:14:15,679
make me profit yeah i think um

1876
01:14:19,750 --> 01:14:18,640
ground-based robots is probably like not

1877
01:14:21,910 --> 01:14:19,760
the

1878
01:14:25,270 --> 01:14:21,920
right way to think about it i think if

1879
01:14:31,750 --> 01:14:28,550
you know think about the possible

1880
01:14:34,390 --> 01:14:31,760
ufo encounters that have happened around

1881
01:14:35,430 --> 01:14:34,400
these crop formations av as they've

1882
01:14:39,669 --> 01:14:35,440
shown up

1883
01:14:43,669 --> 01:14:39,679
uh orbs for example you could

1884
01:14:46,709 --> 01:14:43,679
pontificate or

1885
01:14:47,750 --> 01:14:46,719
elaborate on your question and say are

1886
01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:47,760
those

1887
01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:51,600
drones

1888
01:14:56,470 --> 01:14:54,000
are they some kind of artificial

1889
01:15:00,070 --> 01:14:56,480
intelligence that's been sent here

1890
01:15:00,630 --> 01:15:00,080
to do a specific job to create these

1891
01:15:03,430 --> 01:15:00,640
clips

1892
01:15:03,910 --> 01:15:03,440
and then go away possibly fade away or

1893
01:15:07,189 --> 01:15:03,920
or

1894
01:15:09,750 --> 01:15:07,199
return to where they came from

1895
01:15:11,470 --> 01:15:09,760
that that might be a possibility i think

1896
01:15:13,189 --> 01:15:11,480
artificial intelligence is an

1897
01:15:17,590 --> 01:15:13,199
inevitability

1898
01:15:21,430 --> 01:15:17,600
um in any technological races

1899
01:15:23,830 --> 01:15:21,440
um evolution you know we're getting

1900
01:15:26,310 --> 01:15:23,840
sophisticated automation now

1901
01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:26,320
sophisticated machine learning

1902
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:28,320
artificial intelligence is all part of

1903
01:15:32,390 --> 01:15:29,760
that and

1904
01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:32,400
eventually it's going to be employed to

1905
01:15:35,830 --> 01:15:33,360
hopefully

1906
01:15:37,270 --> 01:15:35,840
do all kinds of incredible things for

1907
01:15:40,470 --> 01:15:37,280
mankind

1908
01:15:42,310 --> 01:15:40,480
um maybe what we're witnessing sometimes

1909
01:15:45,590 --> 01:15:42,320
when we see ufos

1910
01:15:48,790 --> 01:15:45,600
involves some form of ai

1911
01:15:51,270 --> 01:15:48,800
from uh you know

1912
01:15:51,990 --> 01:15:51,280
from another race or another

1913
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:52,000
intelligence

1914
01:15:55,669 --> 01:15:54,719
that's out there trying to interact with

1915
01:15:58,310 --> 01:15:55,679
our planet

1916
01:15:59,590 --> 01:15:58,320
and you know it's very possible that

1917
01:16:02,310 --> 01:15:59,600
some of the

1918
01:16:04,310 --> 01:16:02,320
drones and such that we've seen that's

1919
01:16:07,350 --> 01:16:04,320
highly sophisticated

1920
01:16:09,110 --> 01:16:07,360
uh compared to you know the drone that

1921
01:16:12,229 --> 01:16:09,120
was around when this guy

1922
01:16:15,189 --> 01:16:12,239
was flying in this guy um

1923
01:16:17,590 --> 01:16:15,199
because there was a drone that was built

1924
01:16:21,590 --> 01:16:17,600
to be launched from the sr

1925
01:16:24,830 --> 01:16:21,600
71 uh jim actually did some work on that

1926
01:16:28,390 --> 01:16:24,840
drone it's called the d21

1927
01:16:32,229 --> 01:16:28,400
d21b d21 and

1928
01:16:35,910 --> 01:16:32,239
uh it looked like uh one of the rockets

1929
01:16:40,790 --> 01:16:35,920
solo rockets of the sr-21

1930
01:16:44,390 --> 01:16:40,800
um but that was in the 19 what 1970

1931
01:16:47,110 --> 01:16:44,400
1962 1962 is when

1932
01:16:48,630 --> 01:16:47,120
when the program began and when was it

1933
01:16:49,750 --> 01:16:48,640
fully operational like one of those

1934
01:16:54,149 --> 01:16:49,760
drones to fly

1935
01:16:57,430 --> 01:16:54,159
uh first launch over china uh was in 68

1936
01:16:59,510 --> 01:16:57,440
and last one was 71. 68 you know

1937
01:17:00,709 --> 01:16:59,520
and and if you just put that in

1938
01:17:03,189 --> 01:17:00,719
perspective

1939
01:17:04,630 --> 01:17:03,199
and maybe what ben rich had told him

1940
01:17:08,390 --> 01:17:04,640
that we have stuff that's

1941
01:17:11,590 --> 01:17:08,400
50 years beyond your comprehension um

1942
01:17:13,030 --> 01:17:11,600
you know operating and doing things for

1943
01:17:16,070 --> 01:17:13,040
us

1944
01:17:19,350 --> 01:17:16,080
the d21

1945
01:17:22,310 --> 01:17:19,360
was an example of a crude drone

1946
01:17:24,390 --> 01:17:22,320
that was highly classified and no one

1947
01:17:25,990 --> 01:17:24,400
even knew it was it existed until many

1948
01:17:28,950 --> 01:17:26,000
many years after

1949
01:17:29,510 --> 01:17:28,960
i'm sure there are things that the air

1950
01:17:32,709 --> 01:17:29,520
force

1951
01:17:36,709 --> 01:17:32,719
and the navy um

1952
01:17:38,310 --> 01:17:36,719
you know different uh military wings are

1953
01:17:40,709 --> 01:17:38,320
going to be using

1954
01:17:41,750 --> 01:17:40,719
uh today around the planet that we may

1955
01:17:47,590 --> 01:17:41,760
even see

1956
01:17:54,709 --> 01:17:51,430
when it comes to ufos in general

1957
01:17:57,030 --> 01:17:54,719
we may not be in charge i mean we may be

1958
01:17:59,270 --> 01:17:57,040
the united states of america

1959
01:18:01,110 --> 01:17:59,280
and maybe the reason why things have not

1960
01:18:03,990 --> 01:18:01,120
been made public

1961
01:18:04,229 --> 01:18:04,000
is because we and other countries such

1962
01:18:08,550 --> 01:18:04,239
as

1963
01:18:10,630 --> 01:18:08,560
you know the uk and in russia

1964
01:18:12,709 --> 01:18:10,640
maybe we were told by the entities

1965
01:18:16,070 --> 01:18:12,719
whoever they may be

1966
01:18:18,310 --> 01:18:16,080
is you're not ready for this yet

1967
01:18:20,550 --> 01:18:18,320
and the their crop circles are are

1968
01:18:22,070 --> 01:18:20,560
weight is they're sort of a calling card

1969
01:18:24,950 --> 01:18:22,080
or announcing

1970
01:18:26,310 --> 01:18:24,960
and maybe the more complex the crop

1971
01:18:29,430 --> 01:18:26,320
circles get

1972
01:18:32,790 --> 01:18:29,440
maybe the sooner that they're that

1973
01:18:34,149 --> 01:18:32,800
the creators of the cop crew crop

1974
01:18:36,550 --> 01:18:34,159
circles

1975
01:18:37,990 --> 01:18:36,560
are going to show their face you don't

1976
01:18:38,830 --> 01:18:38,000
have to excuse me i'm a little bit on

1977
01:18:42,229 --> 01:18:38,840
the

1978
01:18:43,910 --> 01:18:42,239
uh extremely painful side right now i

1979
01:18:45,590 --> 01:18:43,920
had total knee replacement about two

1980
01:18:49,189 --> 01:18:45,600
weeks ago

1981
01:18:49,510 --> 01:18:49,199
and oh dear wow yeah well i appreciate

1982
01:18:53,990 --> 01:18:49,520
you

1983
01:18:57,270 --> 01:18:54,000
tonight i really appreciate that

1984
01:19:00,630 --> 01:18:57,280
um and love love your input

1985
01:19:03,590 --> 01:19:00,640
um one of the the questions i that i

1986
01:19:05,510 --> 01:19:03,600
thought about um well actually i'm gonna

1987
01:19:07,189 --> 01:19:05,520
sort of put a little bit of a spoiler

1988
01:19:10,390 --> 01:19:07,199
out there on your movie

1989
01:19:11,910 --> 01:19:10,400
up on this i would say the most

1990
01:19:14,950 --> 01:19:11,920
convincing

1991
01:19:18,870 --> 01:19:14,960
part of your video is when

1992
01:19:21,350 --> 01:19:18,880
you show a crop circle one year

1993
01:19:22,229 --> 01:19:21,360
and then a planted crop over it the

1994
01:19:24,229 --> 01:19:22,239
following year

1995
01:19:26,229 --> 01:19:24,239
and there's a silhouette of that crop

1996
01:19:29,110 --> 01:19:26,239
circle because that says so much

1997
01:19:29,830 --> 01:19:29,120
does anyone want to talk about that

1998
01:19:32,870 --> 01:19:29,840
phantom

1999
01:19:33,510 --> 01:19:32,880
crop circle uh i think gary can talk

2000
01:19:37,189 --> 01:19:33,520
about that

2001
01:19:40,149 --> 01:19:37,199
for sure ahead gary

2002
01:19:42,470 --> 01:19:40,159
so um what we've found over the years is

2003
01:19:44,070 --> 01:19:42,480
that where a crop circle appears

2004
01:19:45,590 --> 01:19:44,080
the following year there's normally a

2005
01:19:47,270 --> 01:19:45,600
crop rotation so if you have

2006
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:47,280
wheat one year the following year will

2007
01:19:54,229 --> 01:19:50,400
be canola or barley or something else

2008
01:19:56,550 --> 01:19:54,239
um you know i used to take sorties and

2009
01:19:57,510 --> 01:19:56,560
fly in microlights before drones came

2010
01:19:59,189 --> 01:19:57,520
out and

2011
01:20:01,189 --> 01:19:59,199
i used to do it every day i used to get

2012
01:20:03,669 --> 01:20:01,199
up and drive to the airport airfield and

2013
01:20:04,950 --> 01:20:03,679
jump in this you know model toy airplane

2014
01:20:07,510 --> 01:20:04,960
and put my life at risk

2015
01:20:08,310 --> 01:20:07,520
with the door off and fly a certain

2016
01:20:10,870 --> 01:20:08,320
route

2017
01:20:12,470 --> 01:20:10,880
every day um to see if there'd been a

2018
01:20:14,870 --> 01:20:12,480
new crop circle

2019
01:20:16,070 --> 01:20:14,880
and what what would find as the crop was

2020
01:20:17,990 --> 01:20:16,080
start to come up is that you'd see

2021
01:20:18,950 --> 01:20:18,000
ghosts what we call ghosts shadows of

2022
01:20:21,910 --> 01:20:18,960
crop circles that

2023
01:20:23,750 --> 01:20:21,920
were there the year before which is

2024
01:20:27,470 --> 01:20:23,760
interesting

2025
01:20:30,470 --> 01:20:27,480
and then you get some of them which are

2026
01:20:33,750 --> 01:20:30,480
absolutely perfect the best of which

2027
01:20:37,030 --> 01:20:33,760
i filmed uh two years ago i think um

2028
01:20:40,070 --> 01:20:37,040
i think it was in 2017 or 18 a huge

2029
01:20:43,750 --> 01:20:42,550
double tetrahedron crop circle came down

2030
01:20:45,110 --> 01:20:43,760
in wheat

2031
01:20:47,350 --> 01:20:45,120
and then the following year in about

2032
01:20:49,590 --> 01:20:47,360
april i went past the area

2033
01:20:51,830 --> 01:20:49,600
and it was perfectly replicated but this

2034
01:20:52,870 --> 01:20:51,840
year in canola the canola just hadn't

2035
01:20:55,350 --> 01:20:52,880
grown

2036
01:20:57,350 --> 01:20:55,360
where the crop circle was now there were

2037
01:20:59,510 --> 01:20:57,360
some interesting explanations which were

2038
01:21:02,310 --> 01:20:59,520
given for this

2039
01:21:04,149 --> 01:21:02,320
the best of which was that uh people

2040
01:21:06,149 --> 01:21:04,159
tread the seeds in when they visit crop

2041
01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:06,159
circles they tread the wheat seeds in

2042
01:21:10,390 --> 01:21:09,360
it which creates a root mat um and it

2043
01:21:11,830 --> 01:21:10,400
doesn't have

2044
01:21:13,590 --> 01:21:11,840
you know a couple of weeks after you a

2045
01:21:15,669 --> 01:21:13,600
crop soap has appeared you'll see great

2046
01:21:16,950 --> 01:21:15,679
green grass all over the base of it

2047
01:21:18,310 --> 01:21:16,960
because the grass shoots are coming

2048
01:21:19,750 --> 01:21:18,320
through from the tree seeds that have

2049
01:21:22,390 --> 01:21:19,760
been trodden in

2050
01:21:24,550 --> 01:21:22,400
um that creates a root map which doesn't

2051
01:21:26,790 --> 01:21:24,560
get a chance to fully mature because

2052
01:21:29,110 --> 01:21:26,800
it's inevitably towards the end of the

2053
01:21:32,229 --> 01:21:29,120
season where we don't have enough light

2054
01:21:34,070 --> 01:21:32,239
and the crop is harvested it dies off

2055
01:21:35,750 --> 01:21:34,080
but the root map remains beneath the

2056
01:21:37,830 --> 01:21:35,760
soil and the following year when the

2057
01:21:40,070 --> 01:21:37,840
plant farmer comes and puts a seed

2058
01:21:41,669 --> 01:21:40,080
usually a canola seed which is bigger

2059
01:21:41,990 --> 01:21:41,679
through and they drill them into the

2060
01:21:43,750 --> 01:21:42,000
ground

2061
01:21:45,750 --> 01:21:43,760
they drill it through the root map and

2062
01:21:48,149 --> 01:21:45,760
when that seed tries to grow

2063
01:21:49,430 --> 01:21:48,159
it's blocked in its path by the root map

2064
01:21:52,070 --> 01:21:49,440
which gives us this

2065
01:21:53,669 --> 01:21:52,080
shadow i like that explanation but

2066
01:21:56,149 --> 01:21:53,679
unfortunately it doesn't

2067
01:21:56,870 --> 01:21:56,159
cover all of what we see for example i

2068
01:22:01,030 --> 01:21:56,880
just did a

2069
01:22:04,229 --> 01:22:01,040
a show here on mexican tv

2070
01:22:04,629 --> 01:22:04,239
where um a colleague of mine nick bohr

2071
01:22:06,550 --> 01:22:04,639
in the

2072
01:22:11,350 --> 01:22:06,560
in england who photographs crop circles

2073
01:22:15,990 --> 01:22:13,750
and the ground it just snowed and the

2074
01:22:18,470 --> 01:22:16,000
whole landscape is white

2075
01:22:19,750 --> 01:22:18,480
except for the design of the crop circle

2076
01:22:22,950 --> 01:22:19,760
which has melted

2077
01:22:24,709 --> 01:22:22,960
now i've got pictures back from 2008

2078
01:22:26,390 --> 01:22:24,719
where we flew in february when the whole

2079
01:22:28,070 --> 01:22:26,400
landscape was covered in snow

2080
01:22:31,110 --> 01:22:28,080
and again another sort of double

2081
01:22:33,830 --> 01:22:31,120
tetrahedron complex geometry crop circle

2082
01:22:37,110 --> 01:22:33,840
is perfectly visible because the snow

2083
01:22:40,709 --> 01:22:37,120
was melted where the crop circle was

2084
01:22:42,470 --> 01:22:40,719
so there seems to be it seems reasonable

2085
01:22:45,750 --> 01:22:42,480
to suggest that there is some kind of

2086
01:22:48,950 --> 01:22:45,760
energy residue that's left over but

2087
01:22:51,750 --> 01:22:48,960
i need good scientists to who are not

2088
01:22:53,189 --> 01:22:51,760
um scared of any stigma that what will

2089
01:22:54,790 --> 01:22:53,199
happen to them with their peers if they

2090
01:22:55,669 --> 01:22:54,800
start off going and starting analyzing

2091
01:22:56,790 --> 01:22:55,679
crop circles

2092
01:22:59,110 --> 01:22:56,800
they're not going to get rubbish and

2093
01:23:00,470 --> 01:22:59,120
ruin their reputation to be prepared to

2094
01:23:03,270 --> 01:23:00,480
come out with me

2095
01:23:04,149 --> 01:23:03,280
and and examine the soil and see what

2096
01:23:09,830 --> 01:23:04,159
what's going on

2097
01:23:13,189 --> 01:23:09,840
with um with what causes this phenomenon

2098
01:23:16,390 --> 01:23:13,199
interesting um i would like to uh take

2099
01:23:19,350 --> 01:23:16,400
calls so uh we have bill

2100
01:23:20,149 --> 01:23:19,360
standing by screening calls and that

2101
01:23:22,629 --> 01:23:20,159
number

2102
01:23:23,430 --> 01:23:22,639
is up on the screen if you're on youtube

2103
01:23:27,830 --> 01:23:23,440
um

2104
01:23:29,910 --> 01:23:27,840
is 855-472-5483

2105
01:23:31,830 --> 01:23:29,920
um you can call in if you have a

2106
01:23:36,550 --> 01:23:31,840
question for any one of our guests

2107
01:23:43,350 --> 01:23:41,350
anyway as far as

2108
01:23:45,189 --> 01:23:43,360
i mean i think that is definitely

2109
01:23:49,669 --> 01:23:45,199
evidence for one thing

2110
01:23:52,390 --> 01:23:49,679
uh gary that someone is not doing these

2111
01:23:53,189 --> 01:23:52,400
by stamping with their feet i mean

2112
01:23:55,270 --> 01:23:53,199
there's an abundance

2113
01:23:56,310 --> 01:23:55,280
it's definitely some type of energy that

2114
01:23:58,550 --> 01:23:56,320
would

2115
01:24:00,149 --> 01:23:58,560
um you know persist or something that

2116
01:24:01,669 --> 01:24:00,159
would happen to make a change like that

2117
01:24:03,669 --> 01:24:01,679
it's not someone stamping

2118
01:24:05,669 --> 01:24:03,679
no i mean especially when they redo the

2119
01:24:07,750 --> 01:24:05,679
soil you know i mean they

2120
01:24:08,709 --> 01:24:07,760
they rototill the soil and and put in

2121
01:24:10,550 --> 01:24:08,719
new seeds and

2122
01:24:12,149 --> 01:24:10,560
and and all that i mean is it and it

2123
01:24:12,709 --> 01:24:12,159
will last like just for one year the

2124
01:24:14,229 --> 01:24:12,719
ghost

2125
01:24:16,390 --> 01:24:14,239
it can be two or three years that you'll

2126
01:24:17,350 --> 01:24:16,400
see this residual i've got many pictures

2127
01:24:21,590 --> 01:24:17,360
of

2128
01:24:24,390 --> 01:24:21,600
it's it's something else

2129
01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:24,400
which adds another little nugget to the

2130
01:24:28,229 --> 01:24:26,400
to the we don't know this is a mystery

2131
01:24:30,470 --> 01:24:28,239
and it can't be explained by guys with

2132
01:24:33,910 --> 01:24:30,480
boards category

2133
01:24:34,870 --> 01:24:33,920
now i saw in one video where you were

2134
01:24:37,990 --> 01:24:34,880
walking through

2135
01:24:40,070 --> 01:24:38,000
um a field of flowers that there was a

2136
01:24:43,110 --> 01:24:40,080
crop circle is that a common thing

2137
01:24:44,709 --> 01:24:43,120
yeah now so so the crop

2138
01:24:46,950 --> 01:24:44,719
comes up at different stages throughout

2139
01:24:47,830 --> 01:24:46,960
the season the first crop to appear in

2140
01:24:50,550 --> 01:24:47,840
the season

2141
01:24:51,350 --> 01:24:50,560
in around april is canola which has

2142
01:24:53,590 --> 01:24:51,360
these

2143
01:24:55,910 --> 01:24:53,600
it's a very thick plant thicker than

2144
01:24:58,149 --> 01:24:55,920
celery very brittle

2145
01:24:59,750 --> 01:24:58,159
and when it matures it it produces these

2146
01:25:02,550 --> 01:24:59,760
yellow flowers

2147
01:25:03,510 --> 01:25:02,560
um before it goes to seed and it's

2148
01:25:05,910 --> 01:25:03,520
beautiful

2149
01:25:08,629 --> 01:25:05,920
now when you walk into one of those the

2150
01:25:10,390 --> 01:25:08,639
the crop itself is above your shoulders

2151
01:25:12,149 --> 01:25:10,400
so you brush through these yellow

2152
01:25:14,709 --> 01:25:12,159
flowers you get completely

2153
01:25:16,629 --> 01:25:14,719
covered in yellow pollen because the

2154
01:25:17,590 --> 01:25:16,639
leaves the petals of the flowers are so

2155
01:25:19,669 --> 01:25:17,600
delicate

2156
01:25:20,870 --> 01:25:19,679
that just brushing past them trashes

2157
01:25:23,430 --> 01:25:20,880
them

2158
01:25:24,709 --> 01:25:23,440
and what you find in crop circles like i

2159
01:25:26,229 --> 01:25:24,719
appeared on the episode of ancient

2160
01:25:28,070 --> 01:25:26,239
aliens a few years ago

2161
01:25:30,790 --> 01:25:28,080
they had three guys go out and make one

2162
01:25:32,390 --> 01:25:30,800
in canola and they showed some fantastic

2163
01:25:34,149 --> 01:25:32,400
um anybody can watch this on youtube

2164
01:25:35,669 --> 01:25:34,159
it's called circles from the sky or

2165
01:25:37,750 --> 01:25:35,679
circles in the sky

2166
01:25:39,750 --> 01:25:37,760
uh the ancient aliens episode and you'll

2167
01:25:41,590 --> 01:25:39,760
see these three guys take four hours to

2168
01:25:43,350 --> 01:25:41,600
smash down the crop they recreated a

2169
01:25:46,310 --> 01:25:43,360
crop circle that had appeared

2170
01:25:47,669 --> 01:25:46,320
10 or so years before a relatively small

2171
01:25:50,310 --> 01:25:47,679
one as they always do

2172
01:25:50,790 --> 01:25:50,320
simple but when you look at what

2173
01:25:53,350 --> 01:25:50,800
happened

2174
01:25:55,030 --> 01:25:53,360
on the ground with what they achieved

2175
01:25:57,910 --> 01:25:55,040
with their boards and ropes

2176
01:25:59,830 --> 01:25:57,920
it's smashed all the flowers are broken

2177
01:26:02,070 --> 01:25:59,840
there's scrape marks up the stems

2178
01:26:03,990 --> 01:26:02,080
it's just it's just a mess you look at

2179
01:26:05,110 --> 01:26:04,000
the photographs of the original one that

2180
01:26:08,229 --> 01:26:05,120
appeared

2181
01:26:10,709 --> 01:26:08,239
in 2005 and there's just this sea of

2182
01:26:12,790 --> 01:26:10,719
undisturbed yellow flowers

2183
01:26:14,709 --> 01:26:12,800
now i've seen this from my own eyes many

2184
01:26:15,750 --> 01:26:14,719
times and when you walk into one of

2185
01:26:17,030 --> 01:26:15,760
these things it actually takes your

2186
01:26:19,910 --> 01:26:17,040
breath away because

2187
01:26:20,550 --> 01:26:19,920
as soon as i put my foot into that crop

2188
01:26:22,550 --> 01:26:20,560
circle

2189
01:26:24,709 --> 01:26:22,560
i'm damaging it and it's not damaged

2190
01:26:26,709 --> 01:26:24,719
when i get there

2191
01:26:28,310 --> 01:26:26,719
yeah that that is really that part's

2192
01:26:30,070 --> 01:26:28,320
really amazing

2193
01:26:33,189 --> 01:26:30,080
and let me ask you this does anything

2194
01:26:35,510 --> 01:26:33,199
ever like stand back up on its own and

2195
01:26:36,390 --> 01:26:35,520
and grow like it was never there yeah

2196
01:26:38,229 --> 01:26:36,400
well the crop

2197
01:26:40,310 --> 01:26:38,239
that's another factor is that the crop

2198
01:26:42,390 --> 01:26:40,320
isn't damaged in a genuine crop circle

2199
01:26:43,990 --> 01:26:42,400
it will it will because of phototropism

2200
01:26:45,990 --> 01:26:44,000
it will begin to grow back up to the

2201
01:26:48,950 --> 01:26:46,000
light and become more buoyant

2202
01:26:50,709 --> 01:26:48,960
but we have had a crop circle a lot of

2203
01:26:51,669 --> 01:26:50,719
people believe that some crop circles

2204
01:26:53,910 --> 01:26:51,679
come down

2205
01:26:54,870 --> 01:26:53,920
where they're a part of the design comes

2206
01:26:56,229 --> 01:26:54,880
one night

2207
01:26:58,390 --> 01:26:56,239
and then another part of the design

2208
01:26:59,990 --> 01:26:58,400
comes the next night sometimes it's been

2209
01:27:02,149 --> 01:27:00,000
over three nights

2210
01:27:05,110 --> 01:27:02,159
now as soon as that happens most people

2211
01:27:08,229 --> 01:27:05,120
dismiss it as man-made

2212
01:27:09,750 --> 01:27:08,239
now one of the um i know what year was

2213
01:27:12,070 --> 01:27:09,760
it it would have been

2214
01:27:12,950 --> 01:27:12,080
oh god my after 25 years my years get

2215
01:27:18,070 --> 01:27:12,960
vape but

2216
01:27:21,270 --> 01:27:18,080
it was about um 2011 i believe 2011

2217
01:27:24,470 --> 01:27:21,280
or 12. um this formation came down

2218
01:27:27,350 --> 01:27:24,480
and it was kind of like these lobsters

2219
01:27:30,070 --> 01:27:27,360
there were six lobsters

2220
01:27:33,189 --> 01:27:30,080
cut out into a circle in the wheat okay

2221
01:27:34,550 --> 01:27:33,199
the next night it was it was finished

2222
01:27:36,870 --> 01:27:34,560
now the interesting thing about that

2223
01:27:39,669 --> 01:27:36,880
crop circle is that where wheat was laid

2224
01:27:40,950 --> 01:27:39,679
down in the original crop circle it was

2225
01:27:42,709 --> 01:27:40,960
stood back up

2226
01:27:44,390 --> 01:27:42,719
when the design was finished the next

2227
01:27:47,510 --> 01:27:44,400
night which wow

2228
01:27:50,310 --> 01:27:47,520
you just can't do yeah

2229
01:27:52,629 --> 01:27:50,320
yeah um do you think there's or this

2230
01:27:55,270 --> 01:27:52,639
again it's a question for anyone

2231
01:27:57,189 --> 01:27:55,280
do you think other than blt research

2232
01:28:01,110 --> 01:27:57,199
which was actually funded by the

2233
01:28:04,149 --> 01:28:01,120
rockefeller um do you think that

2234
01:28:07,590 --> 01:28:04,159
science will take a serious look

2235
01:28:09,430 --> 01:28:07,600
at crop circles you know we have the scu

2236
01:28:11,110 --> 01:28:09,440
now which is the scientific coalition

2237
01:28:13,110 --> 01:28:11,120
for uap studies

2238
01:28:14,550 --> 01:28:13,120
uh people and there's many scientists in

2239
01:28:17,270 --> 01:28:14,560
that so there's a lot of

2240
01:28:19,110 --> 01:28:17,280
scientists or science-minded people

2241
01:28:21,669 --> 01:28:19,120
people with phds that are

2242
01:28:22,790 --> 01:28:21,679
actually taking the topic of ufos

2243
01:28:26,390 --> 01:28:22,800
seriously

2244
01:28:27,830 --> 01:28:26,400
before

2245
01:28:30,310 --> 01:28:27,840
do you think some of that might trickle

2246
01:28:32,709 --> 01:28:30,320
into the crop circles

2247
01:28:34,390 --> 01:28:32,719
i think once the stigma the stigma um

2248
01:28:37,189 --> 01:28:34,400
that is associated with

2249
01:28:37,910 --> 01:28:37,199
someone seriously uh connected with

2250
01:28:40,950 --> 01:28:37,920
science

2251
01:28:42,070 --> 01:28:40,960
um would undergo inevitably if they went

2252
01:28:43,510 --> 01:28:42,080
into it now they

2253
01:28:45,030 --> 01:28:43,520
they would have the ridicule of all

2254
01:28:45,830 --> 01:28:45,040
their peers and their family and so on

2255
01:28:48,390 --> 01:28:45,840
and may get

2256
01:28:49,189 --> 01:28:48,400
funding cut off and they may get other

2257
01:28:51,750 --> 01:28:49,199
issues

2258
01:28:53,910 --> 01:28:51,760
but if it's if if disclosure begins to

2259
01:28:55,669 --> 01:28:53,920
really happen and crop circles become a

2260
01:28:58,709 --> 01:28:55,679
part of that narrative

2261
01:29:00,709 --> 01:28:58,719
uh allowing people to i mean i

2262
01:29:02,390 --> 01:29:00,719
i believe it will happen in the last six

2263
01:29:03,830 --> 01:29:02,400
years johns hopkins and some of the

2264
01:29:05,590 --> 01:29:03,840
universities are doing very serious

2265
01:29:07,350 --> 01:29:05,600
research into psychedelics now

2266
01:29:10,070 --> 01:29:07,360
which of course was banned because of

2267
01:29:11,590 --> 01:29:10,080
the war on drugs and so on but now

2268
01:29:13,189 --> 01:29:11,600
it's really being shown even though

2269
01:29:14,709 --> 01:29:13,199
people have been saying for years

2270
01:29:16,790 --> 01:29:14,719
look this is something that can be used

2271
01:29:19,750 --> 01:29:16,800
as a therapy it's really being shown

2272
01:29:20,950 --> 01:29:19,760
with scientific data now to do that so

2273
01:29:23,350 --> 01:29:20,960
yes i hope so

2274
01:29:24,870 --> 01:29:23,360
and i really i really want it to happen

2275
01:29:26,149 --> 01:29:24,880
but i think at the moment we've still

2276
01:29:28,310 --> 01:29:26,159
got that problem with

2277
01:29:30,950 --> 01:29:28,320
with stigma and people being scared to

2278
01:29:32,950 --> 01:29:30,960
um put their name on the line with it

2279
01:29:35,189 --> 01:29:32,960
yeah yeah i have i have a question i

2280
01:29:37,510 --> 01:29:35,199
don't and i don't say i

2281
01:29:39,110 --> 01:29:37,520
crop circles are i find you incredibly

2282
01:29:43,030 --> 01:29:39,120
fascinating

2283
01:29:47,430 --> 01:29:43,040
and more has to be done has anybody

2284
01:29:50,629 --> 01:29:47,440
done a scientific core sample

2285
01:29:51,669 --> 01:29:50,639
going down maybe a meter within the crop

2286
01:29:55,350 --> 01:29:51,679
circle

2287
01:29:58,870 --> 01:29:55,360
do another core sample

2288
01:30:01,990 --> 01:29:58,880
and then have it chemically or

2289
01:30:02,229 --> 01:30:02,000
somehow analyze between the two what are

2290
01:30:06,390 --> 01:30:02,239
the

2291
01:30:09,430 --> 01:30:06,400
this dirt has

2292
01:30:11,830 --> 01:30:09,440
that's uh leaving a shadow the following

2293
01:30:12,950 --> 01:30:11,840
you know the following growing season wc

2294
01:30:14,950 --> 01:30:12,960
loving good

2295
01:30:16,470 --> 01:30:14,960
right william's i don't know i don't

2296
01:30:21,669 --> 01:30:16,480
know if he went down a meter

2297
01:30:23,270 --> 01:30:21,679
uh yeah but he did control

2298
01:30:24,709 --> 01:30:23,280
the science there's an abundance of

2299
01:30:25,990 --> 01:30:24,719
scientific work that's been done and it

2300
01:30:28,229 --> 01:30:26,000
hasn't really made

2301
01:30:29,669 --> 01:30:28,239
much of a difference in terms of people

2302
01:30:31,590 --> 01:30:29,679
accepting it as something which is a

2303
01:30:33,990 --> 01:30:31,600
genuinely mysterious phenomenon

2304
01:30:35,669 --> 01:30:34,000
unfortunately we demand science when

2305
01:30:37,510 --> 01:30:35,679
science comes along and actually gives

2306
01:30:38,950 --> 01:30:37,520
answers you realize that there's a whole

2307
01:30:40,870 --> 01:30:38,960
bunch of people who didn't want those

2308
01:30:42,390 --> 01:30:40,880
answers and so actually relevant

2309
01:30:44,070 --> 01:30:42,400
and it's not brought into the narrative

2310
01:30:44,790 --> 01:30:44,080
but there is an abundance of work that's

2311
01:30:47,189 --> 01:30:44,800
been done by

2312
01:30:49,030 --> 01:30:47,199
leaving good and birken over the years

2313
01:30:50,149 --> 01:30:49,040
the the soil was actually quite shallow

2314
01:30:52,470 --> 01:30:50,159
in wiltshire because

2315
01:30:53,189 --> 01:30:52,480
it's all on clay so if you dig down

2316
01:30:55,510 --> 01:30:53,199
about

2317
01:30:56,229 --> 01:30:55,520
what varies between six to twelve inches

2318
01:30:59,270 --> 01:30:56,239
you just hit

2319
01:31:01,110 --> 01:30:59,280
chalk um and there are lots and lots of

2320
01:31:02,870 --> 01:31:01,120
underwater aquifers

2321
01:31:04,390 --> 01:31:02,880
as a result of it being short because

2322
01:31:05,910 --> 01:31:04,400
there's all these caves and channels

2323
01:31:07,030 --> 01:31:05,920
which run under the fields

2324
01:31:08,470 --> 01:31:07,040
and some people have done some good

2325
01:31:10,070 --> 01:31:08,480
research with crop circles and where

2326
01:31:11,990 --> 01:31:10,080
they appear in relationship to those

2327
01:31:14,149 --> 01:31:12,000
locations

2328
01:31:15,189 --> 01:31:14,159
wow interesting what did williams see

2329
01:31:16,870 --> 01:31:15,199
levin good do

2330
01:31:18,950 --> 01:31:16,880
if you want to just kind of explain that

2331
01:31:22,629 --> 01:31:18,960
to uh jim here like

2332
01:31:23,430 --> 01:31:22,639
how did he find you know you even said

2333
01:31:26,470 --> 01:31:23,440
that he

2334
01:31:31,189 --> 01:31:26,480
patented a seed growth uh

2335
01:31:33,030 --> 01:31:31,199
technology crop circles yeah we so

2336
01:31:34,229 --> 01:31:33,040
so one of the things that crop circles

2337
01:31:37,030 --> 01:31:34,239
can appear

2338
01:31:38,629 --> 01:31:37,040
at any time during the maturation cycle

2339
01:31:41,350 --> 01:31:38,639
of the crop

2340
01:31:42,870 --> 01:31:41,360
and so what what he found was if he took

2341
01:31:44,709 --> 01:31:42,880
samples

2342
01:31:45,910 --> 01:31:44,719
from a crop circle which had appeared

2343
01:31:48,629 --> 01:31:45,920
early on in its

2344
01:31:49,830 --> 01:31:48,639
german that you saw maturation period

2345
01:31:51,510 --> 01:31:49,840
what inevitably

2346
01:31:53,669 --> 01:31:51,520
had happened is that the plants had

2347
01:31:56,470 --> 01:31:53,679
become very dehydrated and therefore the

2348
01:31:58,390 --> 01:31:56,480
seeds weren't viable

2349
01:32:00,470 --> 01:31:58,400
and similarly at the end of the

2350
01:32:01,430 --> 01:32:00,480
maturation cycle when the crops drying

2351
01:32:04,629 --> 01:32:01,440
out

2352
01:32:06,070 --> 01:32:04,639
more and the seeds don't

2353
01:32:07,830 --> 01:32:06,080
know when you plant the seeds they don't

2354
01:32:10,709 --> 01:32:07,840
grow however

2355
01:32:12,149 --> 01:32:10,719
he found a sweet spot in the middle of

2356
01:32:15,590 --> 01:32:12,159
that maturation period

2357
01:32:17,110 --> 01:32:15,600
where those energies which impact the

2358
01:32:19,350 --> 01:32:17,120
plants

2359
01:32:21,510 --> 01:32:19,360
have an effect that if you replant the

2360
01:32:24,550 --> 01:32:21,520
seeds you get five to ten times

2361
01:32:26,870 --> 01:32:24,560
more yield from those crops

2362
01:32:27,669 --> 01:32:26,880
without any fertilizers or anything like

2363
01:32:30,310 --> 01:32:27,679
that so

2364
01:32:32,709 --> 01:32:30,320
in order to test his theory he began a

2365
01:32:34,870 --> 01:32:32,719
series of lab experiments where he began

2366
01:32:36,550 --> 01:32:34,880
applying electrical impulses to plants

2367
01:32:40,550 --> 01:32:36,560
at different stages

2368
01:32:43,350 --> 01:32:40,560
of maturity and he found the sweet spot

2369
01:32:44,950 --> 01:32:43,360
and he found that he could increase the

2370
01:32:48,310 --> 01:32:44,960
yield of those crops

2371
01:32:51,110 --> 01:32:48,320
and patented the process so

2372
01:32:52,709 --> 01:32:51,120
i'm sure anybody listening is aware that

2373
01:32:54,550 --> 01:32:52,719
you can't get through a pattern officer

2374
01:32:56,870 --> 01:32:54,560
unless something works

2375
01:32:58,550 --> 01:32:56,880
and so for him to have discovered a

2376
01:33:00,550 --> 01:32:58,560
technology of applying electrical

2377
01:33:02,390 --> 01:33:00,560
impulses to seeds

2378
01:33:04,550 --> 01:33:02,400
and plant them and get more yield

2379
01:33:05,669 --> 01:33:04,560
putting potentially putting monsanto

2380
01:33:09,189 --> 01:33:05,679
out of business and selling more

2381
01:33:10,709 --> 01:33:09,199
fertilizer and patented that process

2382
01:33:13,830 --> 01:33:10,719
it's evidence that there's something

2383
01:33:16,149 --> 01:33:13,840
else going on at the very least

2384
01:33:17,669 --> 01:33:16,159
isn't that interesting we have a caller

2385
01:33:21,189 --> 01:33:17,679
um we have lauren

2386
01:33:23,110 --> 01:33:21,199
uh from in in connecticut that is

2387
01:33:25,510 --> 01:33:23,120
and she has a two-part question welcome

2388
01:33:27,910 --> 01:33:25,520
to the show lauren

2389
01:33:29,990 --> 01:33:27,920
yes thank you martin and i just want to

2390
01:33:31,270 --> 01:33:30,000
say that i enjoy your show very much i

2391
01:33:33,430 --> 01:33:31,280
like your

2392
01:33:34,950 --> 01:33:33,440
interviewing style where you allow the

2393
01:33:37,030 --> 01:33:34,960
guests to speak

2394
01:33:39,189 --> 01:33:37,040
and i appreciate this show that the

2395
01:33:40,149 --> 01:33:39,199
guests are fantastic i'm really enjoying

2396
01:33:43,750 --> 01:33:40,159
this

2397
01:33:47,350 --> 01:33:43,760
well thank you very much you're welcome

2398
01:33:49,350 --> 01:33:47,360
um my questions are um should i ask both

2399
01:33:51,910 --> 01:33:49,360
of them or one at a time

2400
01:33:53,830 --> 01:33:51,920
i just uh uh well let's do one at a time

2401
01:33:57,510 --> 01:33:53,840
that's fine

2402
01:34:00,310 --> 01:33:57,520
okay uh the first question is how many

2403
01:34:02,709 --> 01:34:00,320
if if there's any way to tell of the

2404
01:34:03,669 --> 01:34:02,719
crop circles are destroyed because the

2405
01:34:06,310 --> 01:34:03,679
farmers they

2406
01:34:07,750 --> 01:34:06,320
just don't want the hassle of people

2407
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:07,760
finding out about

2408
01:34:12,790 --> 01:34:09,850
them

2409
01:34:15,270 --> 01:34:12,800
[Music]

2410
01:34:16,870 --> 01:34:15,280
it's about 10 every year we i know i

2411
01:34:18,149 --> 01:34:16,880
i've been around for many years i know

2412
01:34:20,470 --> 01:34:18,159
that a lot of the farmers

2413
01:34:21,910 --> 01:34:20,480
um i'm friends with them there are a

2414
01:34:23,910 --> 01:34:21,920
bunch of them are angry

2415
01:34:25,510 --> 01:34:23,920
or angry not so much about the crop

2416
01:34:27,430 --> 01:34:25,520
circles they're angry about people who

2417
01:34:28,950 --> 01:34:27,440
visit the fields and smoke inside their

2418
01:34:30,550 --> 01:34:28,960
fields and leave litter and

2419
01:34:32,470 --> 01:34:30,560
break down fences and walk through

2420
01:34:34,550 --> 01:34:32,480
standing crop but they're angry with the

2421
01:34:36,149 --> 01:34:34,560
visitors who don't pay due respect

2422
01:34:37,590 --> 01:34:36,159
and so they've got together with a bunch

2423
01:34:38,790 --> 01:34:37,600
of others and decided

2424
01:34:40,709 --> 01:34:38,800
if you get a crop circle we're going to

2425
01:34:43,830 --> 01:34:40,719
cut it out but it's about 10

2426
01:34:47,750 --> 01:34:43,840
every year interesting

2427
01:34:50,149 --> 01:34:47,760
okay yeah i was and that's what i meant

2428
01:34:50,870 --> 01:34:50,159
not so much that from the crop circle

2429
01:34:53,669 --> 01:34:50,880
itself but

2430
01:34:53,990 --> 01:34:53,679
yes people tend to be disrespectful

2431
01:34:56,390 --> 01:34:54,000
that's

2432
01:34:57,109 --> 01:34:56,400
for sure or there are a number of people

2433
01:35:00,229 --> 01:34:57,119
that do

2434
01:35:03,270 --> 01:35:00,239
um the second part of my question is

2435
01:35:06,870 --> 01:35:03,280
if the crops in the circles

2436
01:35:09,990 --> 01:35:06,880
are harvested is there any kind

2437
01:35:13,189 --> 01:35:10,000
of benefit or harm

2438
01:35:16,310 --> 01:35:13,199
to humans if they consume that grain or

2439
01:35:17,830 --> 01:35:16,320
whatever it was that was harvested

2440
01:35:19,590 --> 01:35:17,840
not that we know of i mean most of the

2441
01:35:21,750 --> 01:35:19,600
crop that gets laid down

2442
01:35:24,229 --> 01:35:21,760
it's a it's a little too low for the

2443
01:35:26,470 --> 01:35:24,239
blades of the harvester

2444
01:35:27,990 --> 01:35:26,480
because they can pick up rocks or they

2445
01:35:30,629 --> 01:35:28,000
can pick up any litter that's been

2446
01:35:32,709 --> 01:35:30,639
left by visitors so they tend to raise

2447
01:35:34,550 --> 01:35:32,719
the blades of the harvester up

2448
01:35:36,470 --> 01:35:34,560
and cut just a little higher therefore

2449
01:35:38,950 --> 01:35:36,480
they don't take the crop

2450
01:35:40,229 --> 01:35:38,960
from what's laid down inside the

2451
01:35:43,430 --> 01:35:40,239
formation they can only take the

2452
01:35:47,270 --> 01:35:43,440
standing stuff um

2453
01:35:50,229 --> 01:35:47,280
10 15 13 years 14 years ago 2008

2454
01:35:52,070 --> 01:35:50,239
i did a couple of tours for uh the

2455
01:35:53,510 --> 01:35:52,080
chairman of the bank of mexico

2456
01:35:55,350 --> 01:35:53,520
he came over and visited the crop

2457
01:35:57,590 --> 01:35:55,360
circles two years on the run

2458
01:35:58,629 --> 01:35:57,600
and one of the years he was there the

2459
01:36:02,390 --> 01:35:58,639
formation of them

2460
01:36:05,669 --> 01:36:02,400
of the of the aztec mask with feathers

2461
01:36:06,550 --> 01:36:05,679
appeared opposite silvery hill whilst he

2462
01:36:07,750 --> 01:36:06,560
was there

2463
01:36:09,990 --> 01:36:07,760
now he does a lot of work with

2464
01:36:12,149 --> 01:36:10,000
archaeologists and so on down in yucatan

2465
01:36:14,229 --> 01:36:12,159
and they've got jaguar reserve and they

2466
01:36:15,910 --> 01:36:14,239
fund archaeological gigs and so on

2467
01:36:17,990 --> 01:36:15,920
and so he was very interested that this

2468
01:36:21,510 --> 01:36:18,000
crop circle that's connected to him and

2469
01:36:22,950 --> 01:36:21,520
he believed um had appeared so got me to

2470
01:36:25,270 --> 01:36:22,960
buy all the wheat

2471
01:36:26,550 --> 01:36:25,280
i negotiated with the farmer and there's

2472
01:36:27,750 --> 01:36:26,560
a documentary that's been made about

2473
01:36:31,030 --> 01:36:27,760
this in norwegian

2474
01:36:32,550 --> 01:36:31,040
norway the norwegian tv covered it and i

2475
01:36:33,350 --> 01:36:32,560
negotiated with the farmer and he bought

2476
01:36:34,629 --> 01:36:33,360
all the wheat and i

2477
01:36:37,669 --> 01:36:34,639
and i said to him what do you want to do

2478
01:36:39,270 --> 01:36:37,679
with this week and he said well

2479
01:36:40,950 --> 01:36:39,280
we thought about he also owned the

2480
01:36:42,550 --> 01:36:40,960
biggest tortilla company

2481
01:36:44,310 --> 01:36:42,560
across america so i probably was going

2482
01:36:47,990 --> 01:36:44,320
to make some special tortillas with it

2483
01:36:48,629 --> 01:36:48,000
but um he said he primarily wanted to

2484
01:36:51,510 --> 01:36:48,639
keep it

2485
01:36:52,950 --> 01:36:51,520
safe because of new scientific

2486
01:36:54,629 --> 01:36:52,960
experiments which could

2487
01:36:57,430 --> 01:36:54,639
come in the future which we don't have

2488
01:36:59,270 --> 01:36:57,440
today which we could then get the wheat

2489
01:37:01,270 --> 01:36:59,280
and do some analysis on it to find

2490
01:37:03,109 --> 01:37:01,280
things which we're not able to find

2491
01:37:05,189 --> 01:37:03,119
today so he basically kept it for that

2492
01:37:09,030 --> 01:37:05,199
reason

2493
01:37:12,310 --> 01:37:10,870
thank you so much for your questions

2494
01:37:14,709 --> 01:37:12,320
lauren anything else that you can think

2495
01:37:17,750 --> 01:37:14,719
of while you're on

2496
01:37:21,430 --> 01:37:17,760
um nope that'll that'll do it for now so

2497
01:37:23,750 --> 01:37:21,440
thank you so much

2498
01:37:25,030 --> 01:37:23,760
sure thing thank you for the call and

2499
01:37:28,149 --> 01:37:25,040
your kind words

2500
01:37:31,430 --> 01:37:28,159
um there was a question here um

2501
01:37:35,270 --> 01:37:31,440
as far as is there any

2502
01:37:37,510 --> 01:37:35,280
collaboration between oh uh i i think

2503
01:37:39,669 --> 01:37:37,520
is there any you know connection between

2504
01:37:41,350 --> 01:37:39,679
crop circles and ufo sightings now we

2505
01:37:44,149 --> 01:37:41,360
talk about the orbs

2506
01:37:44,390 --> 01:37:44,159
but are there a lot of ufo sightings in

2507
01:37:51,189 --> 01:37:44,400
an

2508
01:37:52,310 --> 01:37:51,199
it seems to be more the case

2509
01:37:53,910 --> 01:37:52,320
historically

2510
01:37:56,390 --> 01:37:53,920
when i look back through the old records

2511
01:37:58,310 --> 01:37:56,400
and reports from 1940s and 50s

2512
01:38:00,390 --> 01:37:58,320
there seems to be a correlation between

2513
01:38:00,950 --> 01:38:00,400
ufo sightings and then a subsequent crop

2514
01:38:03,669 --> 01:38:00,960
circle

2515
01:38:05,990 --> 01:38:03,679
the westall incident in 1966 in

2516
01:38:07,669 --> 01:38:06,000
australia in the school

2517
01:38:10,229 --> 01:38:07,679
not a lot of people pay attention to it

2518
01:38:12,310 --> 01:38:10,239
but in addition to the fantastic ufo

2519
01:38:13,590 --> 01:38:12,320
sighting that over 400 students and

2520
01:38:14,950 --> 01:38:13,600
three teachers saw

2521
01:38:16,790 --> 01:38:14,960
there was a crop circle made at the

2522
01:38:17,590 --> 01:38:16,800
bottom of the field because the ufo went

2523
01:38:19,350 --> 01:38:17,600
down

2524
01:38:21,430 --> 01:38:19,360
landed and two children went and watched

2525
01:38:22,470 --> 01:38:21,440
the army come and stamp around inside

2526
01:38:26,390 --> 01:38:22,480
the crop circle

2527
01:38:29,430 --> 01:38:26,400
and then burn it out so

2528
01:38:31,669 --> 01:38:29,440
yes there is there is a correlation but

2529
01:38:33,910 --> 01:38:31,679
in modern day wheelchair which are

2530
01:38:35,910 --> 01:38:33,920
probably the most watched fields

2531
01:38:38,070 --> 01:38:35,920
in the world during summer time because

2532
01:38:41,750 --> 01:38:38,080
people have gone out trying to catch

2533
01:38:43,510 --> 01:38:41,760
crop circles being made there is only a

2534
01:38:45,030 --> 01:38:43,520
sort of anecdotal evidence there seems

2535
01:38:47,109 --> 01:38:45,040
to be appearances of crop circles

2536
01:38:49,109 --> 01:38:47,119
without

2537
01:38:51,270 --> 01:38:49,119
the sightings of ufos at the same time

2538
01:38:54,070 --> 01:38:51,280
as well

2539
01:38:55,270 --> 01:38:54,080
well another another thing that that

2540
01:38:58,070 --> 01:38:55,280
comes to mind is

2541
01:38:59,109 --> 01:38:58,080
i think it was uh stephen was talking

2542
01:39:01,910 --> 01:38:59,119
earlier

2543
01:39:03,109 --> 01:39:01,920
about uh you know why aren't these made

2544
01:39:06,550 --> 01:39:03,119
in

2545
01:39:09,990 --> 01:39:06,560
to make them or whatever

2546
01:39:13,270 --> 01:39:10,000
but are there places that are very very

2547
01:39:15,910 --> 01:39:13,280
remote that normally someone wouldn't

2548
01:39:16,790 --> 01:39:15,920
go there but someone flies over and sees

2549
01:39:18,709 --> 01:39:16,800
a crop circle

2550
01:39:21,510 --> 01:39:18,719
in a in a hidden area away from

2551
01:39:23,590 --> 01:39:21,520
everything does that ever happen

2552
01:39:24,950 --> 01:39:23,600
yeah i mean you know obviously some of

2553
01:39:27,189 --> 01:39:24,960
them they don't get discussed

2554
01:39:29,030 --> 01:39:27,199
uh bill don't get seen so so they

2555
01:39:32,229 --> 01:39:29,040
probably go unnoticed

2556
01:39:34,229 --> 01:39:32,239
um there was a sri yantra the indian

2557
01:39:35,510 --> 01:39:34,239
tree yantra that was carved into the

2558
01:39:38,390 --> 01:39:35,520
salt beds

2559
01:39:38,790 --> 01:39:38,400
in utah years ago and it was like a mile

2560
01:39:40,390 --> 01:39:38,800
long

2561
01:39:41,910 --> 01:39:40,400
now i never got to visit it but

2562
01:39:43,590 --> 01:39:41,920
apparently when you go there and you

2563
01:39:45,109 --> 01:39:43,600
tread on the salt flats the salt just

2564
01:39:46,709 --> 01:39:45,119
breaks through

2565
01:39:48,149 --> 01:39:46,719
that was interesting and he was in a

2566
01:39:49,910 --> 01:39:48,159
remote area and it could have been

2567
01:39:51,590 --> 01:39:49,920
something anomalous

2568
01:39:54,390 --> 01:39:51,600
um in the early days a lot of people

2569
01:39:56,470 --> 01:39:54,400
don't realize in the 70s a colleague of

2570
01:39:57,270 --> 01:39:56,480
mine john martino took a helicopter

2571
01:40:00,070 --> 01:39:57,280
flight

2572
01:40:01,910 --> 01:40:00,080
and there were literally hundreds and

2573
01:40:02,470 --> 01:40:01,920
hundreds of circles of all different

2574
01:40:04,629 --> 01:40:02,480
shapes

2575
01:40:05,830 --> 01:40:04,639
it was almost like somebody had flicked

2576
01:40:08,629 --> 01:40:05,840
a paintbrush

2577
01:40:09,270 --> 01:40:08,639
across the landscape and they were just

2578
01:40:12,870 --> 01:40:09,280
circles

2579
01:40:15,750 --> 01:40:12,880
all across fields wow um

2580
01:40:18,149 --> 01:40:15,760
yeah this there's a lot of wiltshire is

2581
01:40:19,669 --> 01:40:18,159
300 square miles there's probably at

2582
01:40:22,149 --> 01:40:19,679
least a quarter of a million different

2583
01:40:23,590 --> 01:40:22,159
individual fields probably more there's

2584
01:40:25,030 --> 01:40:23,600
not something you can monitor on a

2585
01:40:27,910 --> 01:40:25,040
regular basis

2586
01:40:29,030 --> 01:40:27,920
um and but most things farmers when you

2587
01:40:30,790 --> 01:40:29,040
speak to them

2588
01:40:32,470 --> 01:40:30,800
they'll say well if something happens on

2589
01:40:33,750 --> 01:40:32,480
my land i know about it people have

2590
01:40:35,510 --> 01:40:33,760
entered or if there's certainly others

2591
01:40:37,189 --> 01:40:35,520
the dogs are bark or

2592
01:40:38,790 --> 01:40:37,199
i mean there's there's been crop circles

2593
01:40:39,830 --> 01:40:38,800
inside that i mean i don't if you know

2594
01:40:41,189 --> 01:40:39,840
but military

2595
01:40:43,430 --> 01:40:41,199
uh the wheelchair is the biggest

2596
01:40:45,109 --> 01:40:43,440
military area in the uk there's a 26

2597
01:40:47,350 --> 01:40:45,119
square mile

2598
01:40:48,709 --> 01:40:47,360
exercise field a fake village where they

2599
01:40:50,390 --> 01:40:48,719
let off their tanks and

2600
01:40:52,229 --> 01:40:50,400
fly in their apaches and all that so

2601
01:40:54,790 --> 01:40:52,239
every summer there's a big show

2602
01:40:56,790 --> 01:40:54,800
and there have been crop circles inside

2603
01:41:00,629 --> 01:40:56,800
of the secure zone

2604
01:41:02,390 --> 01:41:00,639
ah really yeah which if you go in there

2605
01:41:05,750 --> 01:41:02,400
you're five minutes and it's like area

2606
01:41:09,189 --> 01:41:05,760
51 they'll be on you with guns

2607
01:41:11,510 --> 01:41:09,199
big signs you cannot enter

2608
01:41:12,229 --> 01:41:11,520
wow though that's a big question

2609
01:41:15,350 --> 01:41:12,239
something about

2610
01:41:20,149 --> 01:41:18,870
yeah jim any uh crop circles in area 51

2611
01:41:21,750 --> 01:41:20,159
in the desert

2612
01:41:23,750 --> 01:41:21,760
well first of all yeah they could make

2613
01:41:24,070 --> 01:41:23,760
one there you have to have something

2614
01:41:26,390 --> 01:41:24,080
that

2615
01:41:28,470 --> 01:41:26,400
grows out there and which is primarily

2616
01:41:29,830 --> 01:41:28,480
sagebrush

2617
01:41:31,510 --> 01:41:29,840
i've been out to the fence line at

2618
01:41:34,790 --> 01:41:31,520
tonopah test range in

2619
01:41:37,990 --> 01:41:34,800
area 51 80 times

2620
01:41:40,310 --> 01:41:38,000
over the last 45 years i've been doing

2621
01:41:42,950 --> 01:41:40,320
this forever

2622
01:41:44,470 --> 01:41:42,960
never encountered any anything that even

2623
01:41:47,830 --> 01:41:44,480
resembled a crop circle

2624
01:41:49,430 --> 01:41:47,840
in the desert yeah

2625
01:41:50,709 --> 01:41:49,440
i've been on the top of white sides

2626
01:41:52,550 --> 01:41:50,719
mountain where you can look down at

2627
01:41:54,310 --> 01:41:52,560
tipiku valley and you can see the whole

2628
01:41:57,350 --> 01:41:54,320
valley you can see

2629
01:42:01,750 --> 01:41:57,360
all of area 51 from up there

2630
01:42:04,229 --> 01:42:01,760
and there isn't enough vegetation

2631
01:42:06,229 --> 01:42:04,239
concentrated enough to grow to grow a

2632
01:42:09,270 --> 01:42:06,239
crop circle now they do have

2633
01:42:13,669 --> 01:42:09,280
uh irrigated circular

2634
01:42:16,790 --> 01:42:13,679
you know grains and alfalfa

2635
01:42:18,310 --> 01:42:16,800
stuff they grow out in the desert uh i

2636
01:42:19,750 --> 01:42:18,320
have never seen anything

2637
01:42:21,910 --> 01:42:19,760
and this is it you know this would be

2638
01:42:23,510 --> 01:42:21,920
near tonopah i've never

2639
01:42:25,030 --> 01:42:23,520
seen anything that would indicate that

2640
01:42:27,910 --> 01:42:25,040
there was a crop circle on

2641
01:42:29,189 --> 01:42:27,920
any of those and i've and i've looked i

2642
01:42:30,629 --> 01:42:29,199
mean i'm

2643
01:42:32,950 --> 01:42:30,639
you know i'm gonna when i go out in the

2644
01:42:33,669 --> 01:42:32,960
desert i'm looking up i'm looking down

2645
01:42:36,709 --> 01:42:33,679
i'm looking

2646
01:42:38,470 --> 01:42:36,719
everywhere you know for you

2647
01:42:41,350 --> 01:42:38,480
you can never tell what's gonna fly by

2648
01:42:45,189 --> 01:42:41,360
or fly over i had a

2649
01:42:48,470 --> 01:42:45,199
just today we saw him uh was that a

2650
01:42:50,950 --> 01:42:48,480
uh what kind of jet was that that

2651
01:42:52,950 --> 01:42:50,960
there were there were f-16s okay you

2652
01:42:55,430 --> 01:42:52,960
know flying but yeah

2653
01:42:57,830 --> 01:42:55,440
uh no i and i've looked and i've been on

2654
01:43:00,870 --> 01:42:57,840
some pretty high vantage points

2655
01:43:02,950 --> 01:43:00,880
i know when john andrews uh passed away

2656
01:43:03,910 --> 01:43:02,960
one of the things he asked john lear and

2657
01:43:08,390 --> 01:43:03,920
i to do would

2658
01:43:11,030 --> 01:43:08,400
would we dump his ashes over area 51

2659
01:43:11,910 --> 01:43:11,040
and which we did we took off from

2660
01:43:15,109 --> 01:43:11,920
mccarran

2661
01:43:18,550 --> 01:43:15,119
field there in las vegas we had a

2662
01:43:21,109 --> 01:43:18,560
bell jet ranger uh john and the pilot

2663
01:43:23,830 --> 01:43:21,119
were in the front i'm in the back

2664
01:43:25,510 --> 01:43:23,840
uh we're bouncing all over the sky

2665
01:43:28,070 --> 01:43:25,520
because there's about a 30 mile an hour

2666
01:43:28,550 --> 01:43:28,080
uh wind from the north i'm looking at

2667
01:43:31,510 --> 01:43:28,560
john

2668
01:43:33,510 --> 01:43:31,520
his eyes are at normal the the pilots

2669
01:43:35,590 --> 01:43:33,520
the pilot's eyes are in normal my eyes

2670
01:43:38,310 --> 01:43:35,600
are about as big as saucers

2671
01:43:39,189 --> 01:43:38,320
as we're bouncing around but we're you

2672
01:43:42,390 --> 01:43:39,199
know we got

2673
01:43:44,629 --> 01:43:42,400
as we came over the hancock summit

2674
01:43:46,149 --> 01:43:44,639
heading towards the north fenceline area

2675
01:43:50,149 --> 01:43:46,159
51

2676
01:43:53,669 --> 01:43:50,159
they sent up a beach 1900

2677
01:43:54,790 --> 01:43:53,679
as a military escort it came out of area

2678
01:43:55,990 --> 01:43:54,800
51

2679
01:43:57,990 --> 01:43:56,000
and we're we're sitting that we're

2680
01:44:00,709 --> 01:43:58,000
sitting out there about 3000 feet above

2681
01:44:03,910 --> 01:44:02,550
and you can see the whole area but i i

2682
01:44:06,550 --> 01:44:03,920
opened up the john

2683
01:44:07,669 --> 01:44:06,560
leer got on the radio and called he

2684
01:44:10,390 --> 01:44:07,679
knows the

2685
01:44:12,629 --> 01:44:10,400
frequency they monitor and it said

2686
01:44:14,310 --> 01:44:12,639
dreamland dreamland this is john lear

2687
01:44:16,950 --> 01:44:14,320
and jim goodall announcing that

2688
01:44:17,750 --> 01:44:16,960
john andrews is on final approach at 1-4

2689
01:44:20,950 --> 01:44:17,760
right

2690
01:44:22,149 --> 01:44:20,960
and with that i opened the door dumped

2691
01:44:24,870 --> 01:44:22,159
his asses out and

2692
01:44:25,830 --> 01:44:24,880
and they hit that 30 mile an hour north

2693
01:44:28,950 --> 01:44:25,840
wind and just

2694
01:44:29,350 --> 01:44:28,960
blew all his asses all over area 51 so

2695
01:44:35,750 --> 01:44:29,360
he

2696
01:44:39,109 --> 01:44:35,760
last wish uh fulfilled

2697
01:44:41,030 --> 01:44:39,119
interesting well uh jim uh yes a q

2698
01:44:42,629 --> 01:44:41,040
a question for you you know you

2699
01:44:46,870 --> 01:44:42,639
mentioned that

2700
01:44:49,669 --> 01:44:46,880
um ben rich said the things that he said

2701
01:44:50,629 --> 01:44:49,679
about the 50 years in advance this is

2702
01:44:54,070 --> 01:44:50,639
back in 19

2703
01:44:57,350 --> 01:44:54,080
in the 1990s and we have

2704
01:44:58,470 --> 01:44:57,360
advanced so much in technology since

2705
01:45:00,870 --> 01:44:58,480
that time

2706
01:45:01,590 --> 01:45:00,880
makes you really wonder what's going on

2707
01:45:04,870 --> 01:45:01,600
now

2708
01:45:06,870 --> 01:45:04,880
but also if they had that capability

2709
01:45:08,790 --> 01:45:06,880
um i the first thing i would think of

2710
01:45:09,350 --> 01:45:08,800
and it's an unfortunate thing to think

2711
01:45:12,229 --> 01:45:09,360
of

2712
01:45:13,270 --> 01:45:12,239
would be weaponry you know if they had

2713
01:45:15,590 --> 01:45:13,280
such advanced

2714
01:45:17,030 --> 01:45:15,600
capabilities to say go to the stars or

2715
01:45:18,149 --> 01:45:17,040
whatever

2716
01:45:19,510 --> 01:45:18,159
you would think that that would mean

2717
01:45:21,750 --> 01:45:19,520
that they would have real advanced

2718
01:45:24,149 --> 01:45:21,760
weapons and i'm just wondering why

2719
01:45:26,870 --> 01:45:24,159
or capabilities and travel at least you

2720
01:45:30,390 --> 01:45:26,880
know in our own on our own planet

2721
01:45:33,590 --> 01:45:30,400
um that were beyond our uh you know our

2722
01:45:35,590 --> 01:45:33,600
our enemies or other countries i'm just

2723
01:45:38,149 --> 01:45:35,600
wondering why we don't see more advanced

2724
01:45:41,430 --> 01:45:38,159
technology or as part of the ufos

2725
01:45:44,070 --> 01:45:41,440
that we see advanced technology

2726
01:45:45,430 --> 01:45:44,080
a good example of what we see or what we

2727
01:45:49,669 --> 01:45:45,440
don't see

2728
01:45:51,830 --> 01:45:49,679
i just finished the my 27th book it's on

2729
01:45:53,109 --> 01:45:51,840
first 75 years of the lockheed skunk

2730
01:45:56,310 --> 01:45:53,119
works

2731
01:45:57,430 --> 01:45:56,320
and there there are programs in there

2732
01:46:00,149 --> 01:45:57,440
that

2733
01:46:01,669 --> 01:46:00,159
i didn't hold on there are programs

2734
01:46:03,270 --> 01:46:01,679
there are programs

2735
01:46:05,830 --> 01:46:03,280
in there one of them is called senior

2736
01:46:08,629 --> 01:46:05,840
prom it was a

2737
01:46:10,790 --> 01:46:08,639
advanced tactical cruise missile and it

2738
01:46:11,669 --> 01:46:10,800
was in competition with the general

2739
01:46:15,350 --> 01:46:11,679
dynamics

2740
01:46:16,950 --> 01:46:15,360
acm 129 which was the nuclear-tipped

2741
01:46:19,510 --> 01:46:16,960
stealth cruise missile they actually

2742
01:46:26,149 --> 01:46:19,520
actually went into production

2743
01:46:29,430 --> 01:46:26,159
but crash um

2744
01:46:31,750 --> 01:46:29,440
the program is called senior prom

2745
01:46:33,270 --> 01:46:31,760
it has the last the last flight of a

2746
01:46:36,470 --> 01:46:33,280
senior prom

2747
01:46:40,229 --> 01:46:36,480
airplane or drone was almost

2748
01:46:40,709 --> 01:46:40,239
40 years ago and i have photographs of

2749
01:46:42,709 --> 01:46:40,719
it

2750
01:46:44,629 --> 01:46:42,719
and i couldn't i could not use them in

2751
01:46:50,390 --> 01:46:44,639
my skunk works book

2752
01:46:53,510 --> 01:46:52,950
there's good good video here on youtube

2753
01:46:58,310 --> 01:46:53,520
yes

2754
01:47:00,950 --> 01:46:58,320
yeah i couldn't you i couldn't use them

2755
01:47:01,350 --> 01:47:00,960
i was asked not to use them because i

2756
01:47:03,350 --> 01:47:01,360
said

2757
01:47:05,510 --> 01:47:03,360
if they were in the book they could not

2758
01:47:08,950 --> 01:47:05,520
be on lockheed property

2759
01:47:10,470 --> 01:47:08,960
because the images are still classified

2760
01:47:12,709 --> 01:47:10,480
right i said well i got them from ben

2761
01:47:15,830 --> 01:47:12,719
rich and he said they weren't classified

2762
01:47:18,070 --> 01:47:15,840
he said well times have

2763
01:47:22,550 --> 01:47:18,080
changed so here's a program the last

2764
01:47:25,350 --> 01:47:22,560
flight was like in 7273 time frame

2765
01:47:26,870 --> 01:47:25,360
that's pretty close to uh a long time

2766
01:47:29,830 --> 01:47:26,880
ago

2767
01:47:31,350 --> 01:47:29,840
and they're still classified and it's

2768
01:47:33,590 --> 01:47:31,360
it's nuts

2769
01:47:34,629 --> 01:47:33,600
my favorite airplane is is the a12

2770
01:47:36,310 --> 01:47:34,639
blackbird i

2771
01:47:39,030 --> 01:47:36,320
acquired one from the minnesota air

2772
01:47:44,550 --> 01:47:39,040
guard that airplane was operational

2773
01:47:46,550 --> 01:47:44,560
it flew from 1962 to june 21st 1968

2774
01:47:48,830 --> 01:47:46,560
and the program came to an end it was

2775
01:47:51,669 --> 01:47:48,840
taken over by the air force

2776
01:47:55,910 --> 01:47:51,679
sr-71 that program

2777
01:47:58,229 --> 01:47:55,920
was shut down and

2778
01:48:00,310 --> 01:47:58,239
you know they parked they you know they

2779
01:48:00,790 --> 01:48:00,320
pickled the airplanes and parked them

2780
01:48:03,669 --> 01:48:00,800
outside

2781
01:48:03,990 --> 01:48:03,679
after a couple years but it was retired

2782
01:48:08,149 --> 01:48:04,000
for

2783
01:48:11,109 --> 01:48:08,159
existence

2784
01:48:12,550 --> 01:48:11,119
of the a12 ox cart and the a12 is a

2785
01:48:15,669 --> 01:48:12,560
single place

2786
01:48:17,030 --> 01:48:15,679
cia operated blackbird

2787
01:48:19,270 --> 01:48:17,040
they fly a little bit higher a little

2788
01:48:21,990 --> 01:48:19,280
bit faster no weapons

2789
01:48:23,990 --> 01:48:22,000
no weapons it's it's it's smile you're

2790
01:48:26,390 --> 01:48:24,000
you're on candid camera type of

2791
01:48:27,270 --> 01:48:26,400
stuff it's a reconnaissance aircraft but

2792
01:48:29,430 --> 01:48:27,280
retired

2793
01:48:31,669 --> 01:48:29,440
for 20 years before they even announced

2794
01:48:33,510 --> 01:48:31,679
the existence of it

2795
01:48:36,550 --> 01:48:33,520
and the same with senior prom senior

2796
01:48:39,189 --> 01:48:36,560
prom it's been over 40 years

2797
01:48:39,910 --> 01:48:39,199
and there's nothing nothing released on

2798
01:48:43,669 --> 01:48:39,920
it except

2799
01:48:46,950 --> 01:48:43,679
uh what i've what i've had published

2800
01:48:49,990 --> 01:48:46,960
i did write the text i have about uh

2801
01:48:52,550 --> 01:48:50,000
2 800 words of uh text

2802
01:48:56,229 --> 01:48:52,560
describing the program they had 13

2803
01:48:57,990 --> 01:48:56,239
launches all of them were successful

2804
01:48:59,270 --> 01:48:58,000
but they went you know they lockheed

2805
01:49:01,750 --> 01:48:59,280
said

2806
01:49:02,550 --> 01:49:01,760
we can't if if you use that in a few and

2807
01:49:05,590 --> 01:49:02,560
a few other

2808
01:49:07,590 --> 01:49:05,600
uh photos i had of stuff that's still

2809
01:49:09,270 --> 01:49:07,600
classified

2810
01:49:11,669 --> 01:49:09,280
it said we couldn't have the book on our

2811
01:49:13,910 --> 01:49:11,679
property well i want lockheed to

2812
01:49:15,510 --> 01:49:13,920
promote the book i mean it is it is

2813
01:49:19,750 --> 01:49:15,520
there 75 years

2814
01:49:22,390 --> 01:49:19,760
and i cover i covered 43 programs

2815
01:49:24,790 --> 01:49:22,400
and it's it goes everything from the

2816
01:49:28,070 --> 01:49:24,800
xp-80 in 1943

2817
01:49:29,669 --> 01:49:28,080
and the most current project that is

2818
01:49:31,030 --> 01:49:29,679
absolutely fascinating especially in the

2819
01:49:33,189 --> 01:49:31,040
world where everybody wants to go

2820
01:49:36,870 --> 01:49:33,199
electric

2821
01:49:39,109 --> 01:49:36,880
is their compact fusion reactor but

2822
01:49:40,790 --> 01:49:39,119
that's for another day but the

2823
01:49:43,189 --> 01:49:40,800
technology

2824
01:49:43,830 --> 01:49:43,199
like you said like you said is moving it

2825
01:49:47,189 --> 01:49:43,840
that

2826
01:49:49,270 --> 01:49:47,199
at light speed and

2827
01:49:50,870 --> 01:49:49,280
there's a lot of indications underneath

2828
01:49:55,030 --> 01:49:50,880
in people in the know or

2829
01:49:57,830 --> 01:49:55,040
some of them are saying that the

2830
01:49:59,030 --> 01:49:57,840
the clock has started for full

2831
01:50:01,030 --> 01:49:59,040
disclosure

2832
01:50:02,390 --> 01:50:01,040
on when these you know when these guys

2833
01:50:05,189 --> 01:50:02,400
or whoever they are

2834
01:50:05,910 --> 01:50:05,199
decide to make make themselves public

2835
01:50:07,669 --> 01:50:05,920
and hopefully

2836
01:50:10,629 --> 01:50:07,679
hopefully it won't be like in the movie

2837
01:50:13,990 --> 01:50:10,639
mars attacks

2838
01:50:16,310 --> 01:50:14,000
hey hey uh jim jim what while i have you

2839
01:50:18,550 --> 01:50:16,320
on here take a look at the screen here

2840
01:50:18,790 --> 01:50:18,560
this was sent to me today from a friend

2841
01:50:21,750 --> 01:50:18,800
in

2842
01:50:22,229 --> 01:50:21,760
arizona and uh someone just also

2843
01:50:24,950 --> 01:50:22,239
mentioned

2844
01:50:25,910 --> 01:50:24,960
in the chat room what can make a an

2845
01:50:28,390 --> 01:50:25,920
angled

2846
01:50:29,109 --> 01:50:28,400
uh vapor trail you know from uh from a

2847
01:50:31,430 --> 01:50:29,119
jet

2848
01:50:33,430 --> 01:50:31,440
um this was sent to me like i said from

2849
01:50:36,390 --> 01:50:33,440
a friend in arizona that listens

2850
01:50:37,189 --> 01:50:36,400
to the show david um and do you think

2851
01:50:38,709 --> 01:50:37,199
that's just

2852
01:50:40,550 --> 01:50:38,719
the winds or something that made that

2853
01:50:42,950 --> 01:50:40,560
happen do you see what i'm talking about

2854
01:50:43,990 --> 01:50:42,960
it could it could be it could be wind

2855
01:50:47,510 --> 01:50:44,000
wind shear that

2856
01:50:50,870 --> 01:50:47,520
that would cause that uh the other thing

2857
01:50:52,950 --> 01:50:50,880
uh you don't know how far away it was

2858
01:50:54,550 --> 01:50:52,960
so it could have been a bank you know a

2859
01:50:56,790 --> 01:50:54,560
sharp bank turn

2860
01:50:58,870 --> 01:50:56,800
where you can't you can't see the you

2861
01:50:59,669 --> 01:50:58,880
know the the arc in the turn all you can

2862
01:51:01,350 --> 01:50:59,679
see is

2863
01:51:03,589 --> 01:51:01,360
this part there's a turn and then you

2864
01:51:06,310 --> 01:51:03,599
see this the you know the other part

2865
01:51:07,350 --> 01:51:06,320
the viewing angle yeah and you know

2866
01:51:10,709 --> 01:51:07,360
they're they're flying

2867
01:51:14,149 --> 01:51:10,719
f-16s f-35s and a-10s

2868
01:51:17,350 --> 01:51:14,159
uh over the skies of arizona

2869
01:51:19,109 --> 01:51:17,360
all the time so

2870
01:51:21,430 --> 01:51:19,119
that type of contrail would you know

2871
01:51:24,790 --> 01:51:21,440
that that wouldn't surprise me

2872
01:51:26,870 --> 01:51:24,800
um what was what would surprise me to

2873
01:51:29,910 --> 01:51:26,880
see something going

2874
01:51:30,629 --> 01:51:29,920
like a like a bat out of hades that you

2875
01:51:33,030 --> 01:51:30,639
you that

2876
01:51:35,430 --> 01:51:33,040
looks like something like that a person

2877
01:51:38,550 --> 01:51:35,440
could be in and all of a sudden

2878
01:51:40,149 --> 01:51:38,560
it makes a sharp 90 degree turn

2879
01:51:41,910 --> 01:51:40,159
yeah it turns around and heads back the

2880
01:51:43,750 --> 01:51:41,920
other direction now we have the

2881
01:51:47,589 --> 01:51:43,760
technology

2882
01:51:50,629 --> 01:51:47,599
uh to do that with like electronics

2883
01:51:51,669 --> 01:51:50,639
well we can pull we can pull 100 g's on

2884
01:51:59,430 --> 01:51:51,679
a

2885
01:52:01,430 --> 01:51:59,440
inside

2886
01:52:02,709 --> 01:52:01,440
so it could be unmanned it could be

2887
01:52:06,070 --> 01:52:02,719
something that that

2888
01:52:06,629 --> 01:52:06,080
can maneuver like that if it's if it's

2889
01:52:09,510 --> 01:52:06,639
ours

2890
01:52:10,229 --> 01:52:09,520
if it's theirs apparently there is

2891
01:52:16,950 --> 01:52:10,239
there's

2892
01:52:18,229 --> 01:52:16,960
or turning when you're making high-speed

2893
01:52:20,390 --> 01:52:18,239
turns

2894
01:52:21,350 --> 01:52:20,400
all right so just real quickly we were

2895
01:52:25,030 --> 01:52:21,360
out of time

2896
01:52:26,950 --> 01:52:25,040
uh i got so darcy just

2897
01:52:28,629 --> 01:52:26,960
quickly throw your film out there where

2898
01:52:30,709 --> 01:52:28,639
people can watch it and all that

2899
01:52:32,830 --> 01:52:30,719
sure uh if people want to see any of my

2900
01:52:35,510 --> 01:52:32,840
films they can go to

2901
01:52:38,870 --> 01:52:35,520
ocotejournies.com and i have the

2902
01:52:39,750 --> 01:52:38,880
film posters there uh you click on the

2903
01:52:41,990 --> 01:52:39,760
film poster

2904
01:52:43,189 --> 01:52:42,000
it'll take you through to a site to

2905
01:52:46,310 --> 01:52:43,199
stream the film

2906
01:52:47,030 --> 01:52:46,320
uh also i'll be speaking at the ufo mega

2907
01:52:50,870 --> 01:52:47,040
conference

2908
01:52:52,470 --> 01:52:50,880
in laughlin uh nevada coming up in june

2909
01:52:54,550 --> 01:52:52,480
so people want to see

2910
01:52:57,189 --> 01:52:54,560
my latest film i'll be premiering there

2911
01:52:59,510 --> 01:52:57,199
you uh secret space ufos

2912
01:53:00,310 --> 01:52:59,520
i'm currently making the sequel to that

2913
01:53:04,070 --> 01:53:00,320
with

2914
01:53:04,950 --> 01:53:04,080
jim here um please come and see me speak

2915
01:53:08,070 --> 01:53:04,960
about this stuff

2916
01:53:11,109 --> 01:53:08,080
and also the premiere for the film

2917
01:53:12,790 --> 01:53:11,119
excellent uh so steven bassett

2918
01:53:14,709 --> 01:53:12,800
just give out your website real quickly

2919
01:53:17,950 --> 01:53:14,719
we are out of time

2920
01:53:19,109 --> 01:53:17,960
paradigm research uh yeah

2921
01:53:20,950 --> 01:53:19,119
paradigmresearchgroup.org

2922
01:53:23,189 --> 01:53:20,960
follow uh paradigm research group on

2923
01:53:26,709 --> 01:53:23,199
twitter and facebook

2924
01:53:29,669 --> 01:53:26,719
and excellent thank you so much uh

2925
01:53:31,109 --> 01:53:29,679
you're on my first and on my 450th thank

2926
01:53:34,390 --> 01:53:31,119
you steven

2927
01:53:36,950 --> 01:53:34,400
okay all right and uh gary

2928
01:53:39,030 --> 01:53:36,960
real quick we are out of time okay uh

2929
01:53:39,589 --> 01:53:39,040
simple youtube and facebook against the

2930
01:53:41,430 --> 01:53:39,599
grain

2931
01:53:43,830 --> 01:53:41,440
those are my two facebook uh social

2932
01:53:45,589 --> 01:53:43,840
media that's where you can find me

2933
01:53:49,189 --> 01:53:45,599
all right okay thank you everyone it's

2934
01:53:53,510 --> 01:53:51,189
yeah excellent so next week we'll be

2935
01:54:13,260 --> 01:53:53,520
back with uh kathleen martin